Why Is NYC Not That Expensive For Single Server Colo
Jan 31, 2007
From reading these boards for a couple years now, I always had the impression that colo was cheapest in Texas or thereabouts, and was priciest in places like NYC. (Of course, I'm referring to relatively comparable service.)
Now I finally have a need for a single server colo (1U). The most-mentioned places in Texas on these boards are cologuys, colo4dallas, etc. Most of them have reasonable rates listed right on their website, around $100-170 for the bandwidth that I need, about 1.5Mbps.
But I've also been requesting quotes from various providers in NYC, who are also popular on these boards. And while there are some in the $200-250 range, which is what I was expecting, there are some that are mentioned highly on these boards (toqen, thenynoc, razorblue, etc.) that are quoting $60-100/month for the same amount of bandwidth.
I.e., not only comparable but in fact *lower* than the Texas colos.
What am I missing here? It's very possible that I'm comparing apples to oranges, cuz I really don't know any of these businesses. Just forming an opinion based on what gets recommended here on a consistent basis.
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Mar 6, 2008
i got my server. I'm still shopping for hard disks but the server is pretty much there.
i'm in Houston, Texas. i'll like to know if anyone can give me tips on what to look for in colo. what question should i ask or be aware of.
my budget is $100 per month. i don't use much bandwidth and it doesn't have to be premium bandwidth with basic service.
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Feb 28, 2007
Does anyone know if there are providers left in Dallas that provide single server colocation solutions? If so, who are they and what can I expect in terms of pricing?
I am used to reselling shared and dedicated servers, but I've leased them for long, I could have paid for them by now. Some of my clients have their own systems too. They tend to request Dallas.
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Apr 25, 2009
For the last few weeks I have been looking around at various colo and dedi offers here and there because I was thinking of saving some money by colocating a server and I noticed that everyone who offers both colo and dedi have things fixed so that the colo is much more expensive than renting a dedi from the same people in the exact same datacenters!
You would think that since a brand new server costs between $500 and $2500 to build or buy that amortizing of the cost of the hardware would make the dedis more expensive but in fact the opposite is true 90% of the time and only rarely does a host offer a colo plan that even matches their dedi plans. There are exceptions, like FDC for example but most of the time when you sit down and look at the price per mbps and the price per amp the colocation for a standard 8GB/quadcore/500GB server doing 2 TB of bandwidth is more just in monthly rental than if you rented a dedi(that the company owns).
So, in other words if I am renting a dedi with 8GB RAM, Quadcore CPU, 500GB hard drive with 5000 GB bandwidth quota on a 100mbps uplink for $125 to $150 a month and I wanted to save money by swapping it out with my own dedi of the same specs I would right away lose the cost of the dedi and then each month lose even more just in the colo fees along.
So what exactly is going on here? Are hosts overselling their dedis and making losses on a few but profits on most? And then on top of that artificially bloating their colo prices to encourage people to rent dedis instead? Or...do they just bloat colo prices out of fear and expectation that anyone who colos will be blasting their servers to the max and sucking up the mostest amps while using all the bandwidth that they buy?
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Oct 19, 2007
This is probably a dumb question, but I've been curious about something. While shopping around for either a cheap dedicated server (less than $75/mo) or a cheap colo for a 1u server, I have noticed that the cheap dedicated servers are often less than a cheap colo, which seems odd to me since with a colo you bring your own machine.
For example, Sago Networks has cheap dedicateds for $50, $59, $79 etc. yet their cheapest colo option is $99. For Sago's $50 dedicated you get 1000GB transfer and 2 IP's, and with their $99 colo you get only get 100 GB transfer and 1 IP.
And Sago is not unusual in this respect. I've priced other providers that fall into this category and they have similar differences.
So why is colo more expensive than dedicated for similar, if not lower, features?
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Oct 6, 2009
I've been shopping for colocation (1U) in South Florida and the prices I've been getting were much higher then if I would just lease a server at a datacenter. I thought you could save alot of money since you are only leasing space and bandwith.
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Sep 18, 2008
I wanted a completely fully managed server -- meaning everything is taken care of and I do not have to hire a server admin -- what would be the least expensive pricing from a reputable hosting provided?
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Jun 5, 2008
I am used to paying costs such as $180 - $250 per month but my local colocation is charging $350 per month just for the bandwidth. Plus it is confusing how they price it they do not have a one set price for the whole month like normal hosts, they charge 1 MB per minute bandwidth average.
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Nov 18, 2008
I have a Linux(RHEL5) dedicated server.Tomcat version 5.x is running integrated with Apache and now i want to install tomcat 6.x integrate with apache without effecting older tomcat version. it will run as it is.
How can i do this and if yes then how can i set tomcat home path for both versions.
CATALINA_HOME=<Which path for both> and how to install it.
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Apr 22, 2009
is there any sort of ssl certificate that will 'secure' any domain, hosted on a single server?
For example, I have the following domains and subdomains:
google.com
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mywebsite.com
hello.example.com
All will be hosted on the same server (same IP) and I want all to be secured, through a SIGNED certificate, not a self signed. I assumed that wildcard ssl would be fine for this, but I just took a look and it's only for subdomains: example.example.com hello.example.com.
Is there any way of having every subdomain and domain secured, using ssl, through one certificate? I don't want to have to buy individual certificates for every domain, that'd be... expensive.
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Sep 8, 2008
Based on todays equipement I know a person can spend Thousands on a good server, I'm looking to build my own and just want some advice on which way to go.
I'm thinking of just building the server pc in one case and the hard drive setup will be in a seperate case with the following:
3ware 9690SA-8E controller
Mass-Storage 8x by A-Tech Fabrication for a case
8 - SATA2 SEAGATE 1TB (7200rpm) 32MB on the controller as RAID
Can anyone give advice on what would be a good setup if you were running 1 single server for local businesses. I don't want to hear just pay for a provider as I've heard that one before now I'm looking to know what hardware setup you would run I like to play and learn. Even though sometimes the headache playing isn't as much fun as we sometimes may have hoped.
What are m/b and processor options for running a server?
What is min. amount of ram a person should run using linux and cpanel?
Should linux be on a max. amount of space for root and server files on a seperate mnt?
What connection up/down would be min. for usage of about 5gig/month?
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Jan 4, 2007
I am starting a small template based company. How many unique websites in their own unique folder can I host on a single server?
These websites would not get many hits, maybe a few hundread to a few thousand a month per site. My goal is to minimize the number of accounts I will have to open up with a web service provider.
Should I purchase 1 package per site or is there a way to get around this. Each unique site would have its own unique domain.
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Mar 13, 2008
I've currently got a friend hosting me but I'm paying £5 ($10) per month ($120 per year) which is quite expensive for what I need.
I currently have two accounts- one personal FTP / Email and one shop where I'm selling CDs. So I need FTP / Email / and MySQL.
I'm winding down the CD store so I rarely get sales now, and I don't require much storage (couple of GB) or very much transfer at all.
Can anyone recommend a good host to me? I'm just looking for something reliable, the less expensive the better (Even free, if that's possible.)
I've been looking at Amazon's web services. Does anyone know if they're suitable for what I want? Their rates seem excellent.
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Aug 9, 2008
I'd really like to find a Hyper-V VPS provider (or a Xen/ESX provider) and I've been stunned thus far to see each provider charging more for Hyper-V than Virtuozzo (e.g.
VPSland and Crystal Tech.). Why does this surprise me? Well, Hyper-V is included with the OS, whereas Virtuozzo is an extra cost. You might say, "But yeah, Virtuozzo gets around having to have a separate license for each OS install since its actually just one OS." Actually, that's not true, Microsoft clarified their licensing position and said that each instance does need a license. I'm guessing most hosting providers know this...So why the price hike?
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Apr 12, 2008
is Blue Square now starting to get too expensive for some if not most webhosts that dont already have a large customer base?
I can remember about 6 months or somthing back when rack space would to be around ~£580 for 42u but now its at £700 thats with 8amps and no transit.
Bluesquare is known to be a very good and still is a nice alternative than london, however I think now london has become a cheaper alternative, what do you guys and gals think?
Yes I understand the need to charge more as the data centre fills up to capacity, and to pay for BSQ3-4 which are opening soon etc but im just curious about what do people think etc, im not having a moan they do and still do a brilliant service regardless of price.
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May 15, 2007
Ive been comparing prices from between montreal bandwidth and toronto bandwidth and i dont see why there is a HUGE difference in price.. Could anyone clear this up for me ?
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Jan 16, 2007
I've searched a bit on this topic, but noone seems to have any resolutions: I have a myriad of different websites on a server, and want to balance resources. What and how are the best ways to do this?
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Feb 16, 2009
I have a user who says he cannot get to any site on my server from either home or work. He has been a user for many years, and has never had any problems. He has also checked with his IT at work and they confirmed the site is not available. He is computer savvy, so I trust he is telling the truth.
His work and home are only 10 miles apart.
Do you guys have any ideas what could be happening? Is there a DNS entry wrong somewhere? He can't access the site even when putting in the IP address.
There is one other user reporting something similar but other than that no other complaints. The site works fine for everyone else.
site is gm-trucks.com
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I have diesel generator controller card (IB Lite made by Comap) and the built-in webserver supports only a single user/session connected.
I want to set apache in front and serve multiple connection while apache is keeping a single session with the IB Lite card in background no matter how sessions it have.
I tried ProxyPass but it doesn't seems to be a solution.
Is this possible?
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Aug 13, 2009
A major part of web hosts are running linux these days, with congestion control mechanism 2.6 kernel and windows 2008 are now able to get full speed over higher latency even 200+, with the DSL an all major part of countries access to internet has been easy.
Now question is how exactly an expensive carrier such as MCI/ATT can make a difference for a website. expensive i mean by anything over $10 per mbit. Am sure for things like mission critical, financial institutions and for websites who need reach for every corner of 3rd world countries would need the best of the breed bandwidth. ok for the others who is always a regular guy or small business, is the expensive provider worth it? am trying to find out. please write your opinions on cheap/medium/expensive providers worthness of using such.
Internap is whole different as it will make a bandwidth mix superior which bgp can not do.
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Jul 24, 2007
I am developing an application on a load balanced network.
It is configured as follows:
Webserver1, Webserver 2 (Fedora 5 - Linux, Apache, Zend Opt, PHP)
and a DataBase Server (MySQL)
When the webserver attempt to use the Database server the connections and page output are REALLY slow!
The database server is within the webservers local intranet - so I thought it would be a lot faster.
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Here is a quick test: : :
Testing Database Connection on localhost
Connecting to Database... 0.00054502487182617 seconds
SELECT * FROM users... 0.00076389312744141 seconds
Testing Database Connection on '192.168.1.200'
Connecting to Database... 19.998768091202 seconds
SELECT * FROM users... 0.0021719932556152 seconds
20 seconds to connect to the database server...
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Mar 16, 2008
I'm looking for a managed server (mid range specs) and approximately 20TB monthly bandwidth.
I'm looking for reasonably priced hosts, that have a reputation "very similiar" to Rackspace.com. I don't want to quite pay what Rackspace's pricing looks like. So, I'm looking for something slightly cheaper than Rackspcae, but that have a VERY good record for promptness in addressing issues and with proven uptime records.
So far I am considering Verio & The Planet. My knowledge of hosts beyond that is very limited. Please point me in the right direction as to where I can find hosts with SOLID records like Rackspace.com, but are slightly less expensive.
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Feb 18, 2007
I currently run 16 boxes which I rent from various data centers, mark-up and resell. Conventional wisdom says that it's time for me to start colocating my own servers. I've got approval for capital (loan) so it's no problem for me to just buy these boxes and colo them. But... how the hell does anyone afford it?
I mean, I can get a cabinet in H.E. with 10Mbps burst to 100Mbps for $600/mo (through EGI). Which is an insanely good deal until you realize that it only includes 15amps of power. So (I think) that means that I can really only run about 15 or 20 Celerons at the most. So much for filling up the rack.
Optimistically, if I can run 20 Celerons which I've priced at about $700 each including shipping -- plus a switch, KVM, spare parts and bank interest over 24 months -- that's about $800/mo for the servers plus $600 for the cab, plus about $200/mo for remote hands in case I need the DC guys to do something. I'm looking at about $80/mo per server which I have to pay whether it's rented or not.
I can easily find celerons for $80/mo which include some level of support and I can very easily cancel whenever my client does and buy a fresh new one whenever I get a new client.
I was all excited to go colo -- but the numbers don't add up. What am I missing here? What's the big advantage to all the extra hassle of owning your own?
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Mar 3, 2009
Is bandwidth going to be my most expensive cost if I open up a video hosting site? Is there a inexpensive alternative? Is there an inexpensive web host with low cost bandwidth allocation?
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I have many server with Plesk 12...in this server I have single nameserver...example server number 1 have ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com - server number 2 have ns1.tldnames.com ns2.tldnames.com etc etc...
Now I want manage all server with single nameserver example all server working with ns1.newnameserver.com and ns2.newnameserver.com ....
I have licenses for my server of Plesk no limits...how check if PPA is installed in my server ? Otherwise how to install PPA or other software for DNS Manager?
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Dec 16, 2007
Please give me the difference. Colo in carrier hotel, we can choose our preferred network provider, but should we do that if we cannot have our own tech in datacenter? How about the supporting service from carrier hotel? Just general question, cause I dont address exactly which facility.
And the second would be more expensive? Saying the same number of rack, amount of bandwidth... Who is providing IP addresses then?
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Aug 3, 2007
I'm currently on a shared hosting plan and my site has gotten to the point where the server cant handle it anymore, so I have to move up. I was debating a managed dedicated server and while looking at the prices for an entry level box of $200+/mo. I began to wonder whether it might be better to buy a server and colo in some shared rackspace.
Has anyone gone this route? Is it worth it, do you save more, or does it cost even more?
I'm looking at some decent deals on ebay for HP DL380's 2Ghz+ 1GB Ram which I think should be pretty solid for a web server. If the site continues to expand I'd eventually pick up another box and use that for a dedicated DB server.
Colo prices arent as low as I thought, i see ad's saying starting from $50 bucks, but then once you start pricing it out, it quickly goes up to $150-200$ for a decent package. WHich makes it comprable to dedicated hosting minus your ownership of the physical server.
I guess my main question is, is it advantageous to own the box or is renting it better? Lease or buy? That is the question.
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Dual Processor Single Core Xeon - 3.00GHz (Irwindale)
Or
Single Processor - Quad Core?
Single Processor Quad Core Xeon 3220 - 2.40GHz (Kentsfield)
My site needs "raw" processing power due to the applications it runs. ram (over 2 gb) and hdd are not that important to me.
could someone point me in the right direction.
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