Is Colocation More Expensive Than Reselling Dedi-boxes?
Feb 18, 2007
I currently run 16 boxes which I rent from various data centers, mark-up and resell. Conventional wisdom says that it's time for me to start colocating my own servers. I've got approval for capital (loan) so it's no problem for me to just buy these boxes and colo them. But... how the hell does anyone afford it?
I mean, I can get a cabinet in H.E. with 10Mbps burst to 100Mbps for $600/mo (through EGI). Which is an insanely good deal until you realize that it only includes 15amps of power. So (I think) that means that I can really only run about 15 or 20 Celerons at the most. So much for filling up the rack.
Optimistically, if I can run 20 Celerons which I've priced at about $700 each including shipping -- plus a switch, KVM, spare parts and bank interest over 24 months -- that's about $800/mo for the servers plus $600 for the cab, plus about $200/mo for remote hands in case I need the DC guys to do something. I'm looking at about $80/mo per server which I have to pay whether it's rented or not.
I can easily find celerons for $80/mo which include some level of support and I can very easily cancel whenever my client does and buy a fresh new one whenever I get a new client.
I was all excited to go colo -- but the numbers don't add up. What am I missing here? What's the big advantage to all the extra hassle of owning your own?
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Jun 5, 2008
I am used to paying costs such as $180 - $250 per month but my local colocation is charging $350 per month just for the bandwidth. Plus it is confusing how they price it they do not have a one set price for the whole month like normal hosts, they charge 1 MB per minute bandwidth average.
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Oct 6, 2009
I've been shopping for colocation (1U) in South Florida and the prices I've been getting were much higher then if I would just lease a server at a datacenter. I thought you could save alot of money since you are only leasing space and bandwith.
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Apr 29, 2009
I used to have FDC a while ago, and i want to get your thoughts about fdcservers.net Colocation or dedi?
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May 23, 2008
to run a static files server w/lighty or otherwise - need VERY low spec hardware, but shared 100mbit port enough to push at least 10TB/mo each.
at most $200 per server if possible, celeron/p4, 512mb ram, 500GB+ HD, shared 100mbit.
us or eu is fine. (just no crap german "unmetered" with 10mbit throttle after 1tb)
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Sep 4, 2008
We want a reliable and powerful fully managed Linux server (Cent OS if possible) for under $300 a month.
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Feb 28, 2008
I have a managed box with rackspace (green) On this I am running a couple of distance learning sites e.g howtofish.com (moodle on apache) and video streaming (lighttpd). This is all working fine.
I'm now looking at moving our "normal" website (drupal on apache) to a managed server with rackspace. (call this blue)
The 2 different parts will be running on 2 different machines, but I'd like to be able to move sites/applications between them if needs be due to load/work/failure
For example if the normal website server goes down, temporarily move that on to the distance learning/media server or vice versa.
Or if after a while we get more traffic on the distance learning server than the website, move the media server over to the normal website server.
Hope that makes sense - I'm not looking at a proper cluster here, but 2 servers I can juggle things between if needs be.
The way I'm thinking of doing it is having both machines with the same setup (apache port 80 and lighttpd port 81 for streaming)
And use Vhosts on both machines setup for all the sites.
i.e. green.flyfishing.com and blue.flyishing.com each have vhosts setup for flyfishing.com, howtofish.com and fishingvideo.com.
This way, whichever server the dns for flyfishing.com points to goes there, and the same for other services.
Then do a nightly backup of the mysql databases to the other server and keep files rsynced.
Then if a server goes down or I want to move x from green to blue I just load the backup of green database for the relevant application on the blue server and point the dns entry for the app to blue.
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Aug 9, 2007
anyone got any suggestions for very high bandwidth media streaming (flash comm server)?
And what kind of boxes to run it from?
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Jan 7, 2007
I ever seen a large mailbox be reliable, but now I have one that's mine and I have 8000 messages and 1.2gb. I can't even log into Horde webmail, if I use NeoMail its very slow, it takes 1 or 2 minutes to delete 100 messages or empty the trash. So I tried to setup the email account in Thunderbird and it times out. When I use POP3 thunderbird says it timed out but on the server I can still see the CPOP process for that user and it says it authenticating, if I try again to access it it says the mailbox lock is on, if I remove the lock same thing, no way to access it.
So any advise on how to access this large mailbox, perhaps there is a way to increase the timeouts?
Also whenever I try to do anything with the mailbox it increases the server load, from .20 or so it goes to 1, 2 even 3+
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For VOIP traffic I am thinking of moving some servers from bay area to C4D.
I store all my server boxes so its easy to UPS them.
My question is if i wanted the servers to be shipped back from c4d in case of any reason in future do they keep the original boxes around to ship the servers back?
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Mar 13, 2008
I've currently got a friend hosting me but I'm paying £5 ($10) per month ($120 per year) which is quite expensive for what I need.
I currently have two accounts- one personal FTP / Email and one shop where I'm selling CDs. So I need FTP / Email / and MySQL.
I'm winding down the CD store so I rarely get sales now, and I don't require much storage (couple of GB) or very much transfer at all.
Can anyone recommend a good host to me? I'm just looking for something reliable, the less expensive the better (Even free, if that's possible.)
I've been looking at Amazon's web services. Does anyone know if they're suitable for what I want? Their rates seem excellent.
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Aug 9, 2008
I'd really like to find a Hyper-V VPS provider (or a Xen/ESX provider) and I've been stunned thus far to see each provider charging more for Hyper-V than Virtuozzo (e.g.
VPSland and Crystal Tech.). Why does this surprise me? Well, Hyper-V is included with the OS, whereas Virtuozzo is an extra cost. You might say, "But yeah, Virtuozzo gets around having to have a separate license for each OS install since its actually just one OS." Actually, that's not true, Microsoft clarified their licensing position and said that each instance does need a license. I'm guessing most hosting providers know this...So why the price hike?
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Apr 12, 2008
is Blue Square now starting to get too expensive for some if not most webhosts that dont already have a large customer base?
I can remember about 6 months or somthing back when rack space would to be around ~£580 for 42u but now its at £700 thats with 8amps and no transit.
Bluesquare is known to be a very good and still is a nice alternative than london, however I think now london has become a cheaper alternative, what do you guys and gals think?
Yes I understand the need to charge more as the data centre fills up to capacity, and to pay for BSQ3-4 which are opening soon etc but im just curious about what do people think etc, im not having a moan they do and still do a brilliant service regardless of price.
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May 15, 2007
Ive been comparing prices from between montreal bandwidth and toronto bandwidth and i dont see why there is a HUGE difference in price.. Could anyone clear this up for me ?
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Oct 26, 2008
Sister company recently asked me to start offering VPS reseller accounts as part of our product range but after researching how other companies are doing this, i fear i may have gotten this wrong.
My thinking on the VPS reselling process was as such, like a reseller account, as in, the customer buys a chunk of space/ram/bandwidth and then cuts it up into however they like and sells it at profit.
However, i have realised this is not the case with other companies, they give you a discount per how many VPS's you order, or do the whole affiliate referral scheme.
We have the "advantage" of using HyperVM where we can setup clients to have a certain amount of ram/clients/ip's/bandwidth/disk space, hell, they can even setup vps's accross different nodes. Im sorry if this sounds like a sales post, the main part im trying to get at is, why do others companies not provide this? Am i missing an important security issue?
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Dec 14, 2008
I wanted to offer my clients vps hosted by me, but because of the time, effort and risk factors.
Beacuse of this I am interested in vps resell. I need a few things:
I will handel support,
The sever will have to be unbranded, no way of the client knowing it is a resold server,
Windows OS.
I am looking to buy from the provider at around these prices:
512mb ram, 20gb HDD, 300gb bandwith - $20 per month
256mb ram, 10gb HDD, 200gb bandwith - $10 per month
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Jul 5, 2007
Is there any good companies that allow people to resell their VPS's and offer discounts to the reseller?
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Dec 4, 2007
I've noticed a lot of VPS hosts that use other control panels besides cpanel, but what I'm looking to do is get a reseller account and have WHM/Cpanel on it. I haven't seen a host offer to install this for me when setting up the VPS, are there any companies that do this?
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May 26, 2007
I just contacted support at my current VPS provider about an issue I had when setting up a reseller account and here the (partial) reply I received.
Quote:
You are reselling? You are not allowed to resell with the package you are on. VPS packages can't handle this much as its still a shared environment.
Supposedly the server is a Dual Xeon 3.0ghz with 2mb cache, 8gb RAM, 15,000 RPM SCSI drives in RAID 5 and hotswap, triple redundant power supplies and it can't handle reselling? WTF?
I'm not even actually reselling as the reseller account I setup was for my wife so that she can manage her own domains!
I think the VPS package maybe a rip anyways at $114/month:
20 GB HD, 2048 MB (384 MB Guaranteed), 300GB/Month, Cpanel w/ WHM, Full Management, Monitoring, Root Access, Daily Backup
The only reason I even am using this particular host is that I used to have a dedicated with them and was looking to downsize due to some cash-flow problems.
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Apr 25, 2009
For the last few weeks I have been looking around at various colo and dedi offers here and there because I was thinking of saving some money by colocating a server and I noticed that everyone who offers both colo and dedi have things fixed so that the colo is much more expensive than renting a dedi from the same people in the exact same datacenters!
You would think that since a brand new server costs between $500 and $2500 to build or buy that amortizing of the cost of the hardware would make the dedis more expensive but in fact the opposite is true 90% of the time and only rarely does a host offer a colo plan that even matches their dedi plans. There are exceptions, like FDC for example but most of the time when you sit down and look at the price per mbps and the price per amp the colocation for a standard 8GB/quadcore/500GB server doing 2 TB of bandwidth is more just in monthly rental than if you rented a dedi(that the company owns).
So, in other words if I am renting a dedi with 8GB RAM, Quadcore CPU, 500GB hard drive with 5000 GB bandwidth quota on a 100mbps uplink for $125 to $150 a month and I wanted to save money by swapping it out with my own dedi of the same specs I would right away lose the cost of the dedi and then each month lose even more just in the colo fees along.
So what exactly is going on here? Are hosts overselling their dedis and making losses on a few but profits on most? And then on top of that artificially bloating their colo prices to encourage people to rent dedis instead? Or...do they just bloat colo prices out of fear and expectation that anyone who colos will be blasting their servers to the max and sucking up the mostest amps while using all the bandwidth that they buy?
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Aug 13, 2009
A major part of web hosts are running linux these days, with congestion control mechanism 2.6 kernel and windows 2008 are now able to get full speed over higher latency even 200+, with the DSL an all major part of countries access to internet has been easy.
Now question is how exactly an expensive carrier such as MCI/ATT can make a difference for a website. expensive i mean by anything over $10 per mbit. Am sure for things like mission critical, financial institutions and for websites who need reach for every corner of 3rd world countries would need the best of the breed bandwidth. ok for the others who is always a regular guy or small business, is the expensive provider worth it? am trying to find out. please write your opinions on cheap/medium/expensive providers worthness of using such.
Internap is whole different as it will make a bandwidth mix superior which bgp can not do.
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Jan 31, 2007
From reading these boards for a couple years now, I always had the impression that colo was cheapest in Texas or thereabouts, and was priciest in places like NYC. (Of course, I'm referring to relatively comparable service.)
Now I finally have a need for a single server colo (1U). The most-mentioned places in Texas on these boards are cologuys, colo4dallas, etc. Most of them have reasonable rates listed right on their website, around $100-170 for the bandwidth that I need, about 1.5Mbps.
But I've also been requesting quotes from various providers in NYC, who are also popular on these boards. And while there are some in the $200-250 range, which is what I was expecting, there are some that are mentioned highly on these boards (toqen, thenynoc, razorblue, etc.) that are quoting $60-100/month for the same amount of bandwidth.
I.e., not only comparable but in fact *lower* than the Texas colos.
What am I missing here? It's very possible that I'm comparing apples to oranges, cuz I really don't know any of these businesses. Just forming an opinion based on what gets recommended here on a consistent basis.
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May 17, 2009
I am looking on reselling VPS packages, i have had a look around and the prices seem very high and the commission they offer is quite low.
Preferably would like sell US and EU vps packages, so a company who does have datacentres in both continents will be ideal.
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Dec 2, 2008
is there such a thing as game reselling and could some one suggest a provder?
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May 8, 2008
I want to start selling dedicated servers. This site seems to b a good place to start doing research.
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Nov 17, 2008
Windows reselling is more complicated to run than Linux one and starting it I'd like to have it from the company that has a quality support team.
I have heard that aspnix.com is one of such companies.
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Any good hosting companies providing unmanaged VPS reselling option in Europe?
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So far I am considering Verio & The Planet. My knowledge of hosts beyond that is very limited. Please point me in the right direction as to where I can find hosts with SOLID records like Rackspace.com, but are slightly less expensive.
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