Why Is Cheap Colo More Expensive Than Cheap Dedicated?
Oct 19, 2007
This is probably a dumb question, but I've been curious about something. While shopping around for either a cheap dedicated server (less than $75/mo) or a cheap colo for a 1u server, I have noticed that the cheap dedicated servers are often less than a cheap colo, which seems odd to me since with a colo you bring your own machine.
For example, Sago Networks has cheap dedicateds for $50, $59, $79 etc. yet their cheapest colo option is $99. For Sago's $50 dedicated you get 1000GB transfer and 2 IP's, and with their $99 colo you get only get 100 GB transfer and 1 IP.
And Sago is not unusual in this respect. I've priced other providers that fall into this category and they have similar differences.
So why is colo more expensive than dedicated for similar, if not lower, features?
A major part of web hosts are running linux these days, with congestion control mechanism 2.6 kernel and windows 2008 are now able to get full speed over higher latency even 200+, with the DSL an all major part of countries access to internet has been easy.
Now question is how exactly an expensive carrier such as MCI/ATT can make a difference for a website. expensive i mean by anything over $10 per mbit. Am sure for things like mission critical, financial institutions and for websites who need reach for every corner of 3rd world countries would need the best of the breed bandwidth. ok for the others who is always a regular guy or small business, is the expensive provider worth it? am trying to find out. please write your opinions on cheap/medium/expensive providers worthness of using such.
Internap is whole different as it will make a bandwidth mix superior which bgp can not do.
For the last few weeks I have been looking around at various colo and dedi offers here and there because I was thinking of saving some money by colocating a server and I noticed that everyone who offers both colo and dedi have things fixed so that the colo is much more expensive than renting a dedi from the same people in the exact same datacenters!
You would think that since a brand new server costs between $500 and $2500 to build or buy that amortizing of the cost of the hardware would make the dedis more expensive but in fact the opposite is true 90% of the time and only rarely does a host offer a colo plan that even matches their dedi plans. There are exceptions, like FDC for example but most of the time when you sit down and look at the price per mbps and the price per amp the colocation for a standard 8GB/quadcore/500GB server doing 2 TB of bandwidth is more just in monthly rental than if you rented a dedi(that the company owns).
So, in other words if I am renting a dedi with 8GB RAM, Quadcore CPU, 500GB hard drive with 5000 GB bandwidth quota on a 100mbps uplink for $125 to $150 a month and I wanted to save money by swapping it out with my own dedi of the same specs I would right away lose the cost of the dedi and then each month lose even more just in the colo fees along.
So what exactly is going on here? Are hosts overselling their dedis and making losses on a few but profits on most? And then on top of that artificially bloating their colo prices to encourage people to rent dedis instead? Or...do they just bloat colo prices out of fear and expectation that anyone who colos will be blasting their servers to the max and sucking up the mostest amps while using all the bandwidth that they buy?
We need colo in 2 or 3 different locations within the USA.. we're going to be growing to over 3-4 cabinets in each location within the next 18 months.
We're looking for rates (including power and everything) for less than $800/rack.
We're also looking for a semi-small company who is willing to be quite flexible with our service (as we are a service provider) and we will need remote hands etc..
First question:
What do you think of GORACK, I was unable to find any reviews on them, which could either be a real good thing, or a real bad thing.
Second question:
What do you think of GNAX Dallas?
Third question:
Is there any other companies you would recommend to me?
I was wondering if anyone knew a cheap colo that is in Southern California. I am hoping to be paying under $150 month (if possible) but no more than $200 month and I need something that allows atleast 3-4 TB of transfer/month (More would be a big plus).
I currently get colo for free with the company I work for but I won't be with them forever and I would like to have a backup plan if I have to ever move my server somewhere else.
Northern california and other places near socal (arizona, etc...) *might* be ok but I would really prefer somewhere that I can drive to if need be.
The server is a regular 1U server with two HD's with a conroe based xeon 2.4 GHz dual core processor. Its power consumption shouldn't be that high.
To be honest I would love to have it colo'd at a place like fdcservers.net as I had a really good experience with the 1.5 years or so I had a dedicated server with them before getting free colo at work but the one thing I didn't like was its in Chicago so latency is high (I like to run game-servers).
I don't have much experience with co-location although I have used a lot of dedicated servers so finding a dedicated provider isn't usually a problem for me.
Like the title says it: Is there anywhere in the bay area where I could colo a box and get a cable tv feed without paying an arm and a leg? Nothing illegal going on here either
as of lately I've been looking for a new test server to run some software off of, and a server in the UK would be the best for my needs. Now, I know the advertising forums work great for finding offers, however, I was wondering if there were any servers cheaper than the atom servers at a2b2 for £25.
I am looking for a dedicated server to host a game server for Garry's Mod, (which can be VERY cpu intensive) I am having trouble, because my budget is limited to about $75 a month. Colocation is an option, but only if it is cheap (I have someone who will provide a server)
All I need is to host 20-40 GB of backups. I need full ssh access so I'm only interested in dedicated or vp servers. The best I could find today was celeron 1.3 ghz, 40 GB server for $27/mo. (paid quarterly).
i search for a very cheap dedicated server, with unlimited bandwith, and from 50 to 100 mbit connection.
i dont care with OS, but i love Windows, so that would be nice.
i have seen OVH.com they have nice prices, but they dont want to sell to me, becuse they only want to sell to people from, poland, U.K., germany and france.
i come from denmark, so the hosting center shell sell to denmark.
cheapest dedicated to be used as a remote backup server. This server will be used to backup the fiels of other servers. We need this server to have raid1 or raid5 and at least 1TB of available hard disk space (we want to pay one time fee for the HDs, not monthly).
We've looked into the cheapest (server4you, serverpront) but their cheapest servers can't be customized.
As we are looking for cheapest solutions we are going to have a copy of this backup on another (cheap) DC. So we need 2 cheap places.
I currently have godaddy dedicated server and the 100mbps connection is shared with other servers, and I pay about $120 a month. I normally get an average of 30mbps out of it. Do you guys know of any cheap hosting companies that offer dedicated servers with a 1Gbps shared connection? And the main point I'm trying to get to is, do you guys know of any web hosts that would be faster than an average of 30mbps, even if they're only 100mbps shared connections? I'd really appreciate any potential hosts you guys can direct me to that are pretty fast.
I thought I would write a quick review of Corenetworks.net!
I've had a server at Core networks for about a year now, and have worked with support as well as billing.
Support Lets start off with the most important thing, support. I am not one to need hand-holding from support, but every once and a while I need things like IP-KVM access, hardware upgrades, hardware replacements, etc. I've put in four requests for IP-KVM access via their ticketing system since I started hosting there, and each request was fulfilled within 30 minutes. I have to admit that 30 minutes is impressive for a dedicated hosting company. It must be remembered that they are unmanaged hosting, and managed hosting services cost extra. I find this scenario fits most technical people well because more resources are put into *real* requests such as hardware, kvm, etc instead of resources being used for hand-holding (i lost my root password, my apache process is not starting, etc)
Hardware The price compared to the hardware you get is exceptional. A lot of hosting company's out there will push overused hardware on you. (some larger companies reuse hard drives over and over, check the smart drive lifetime with smartctl) The hard drive I was provided had a usage time of 3 months. That is VERY good compared to the average active drive life time at other hosting providers of 2-4 years. The hardware has been reliable and fault free (i have 2 machines now with no problems)
Uptime This is the greatest part, every other budge dedicated hosting provider i've been with has had horrible power (sometimes reboots every few days, and the occasional downtime of a few hours) I have not had a single power outage or reboot since I first started at core networks! One of my severs has an uptime of 355 Days.
Network The network is not blazing fast... with the package I got. I decided on the metered 3Mb connection (no extra cost) There is also an unmetered connection with a bandwidth limit, if anyone can chime in on this it would be great . I do know that I have always had a 3Mb full pipe on this plan (up and down) which is more then enough for my hosting purposes.
Features Core networks has all of the features of the big-boys: Remote power management, bandwidth mrtg graphs, network status page, Free IP-KVM, etc.
Cost The company does utilize it's cheaper servers as a bargaining tool for sales. It seems they unleash their $24/mo servers for a week or two to drive sales and then mark them as sold out. Currently I have the $49/mo servers (with a bit extra oomph) and I am ecstatic with the price. If you can catch the $24/mo servers, get them when you see'em!
Overall Overall I would recommend corenetworks.net to anyone who is seeking a quality server for personal use or small business use. I am not sure how the service would meet enterprise level businesses, but they do have more expensive plans and I see no reason those would suck.
From reading these boards for a couple years now, I always had the impression that colo was cheapest in Texas or thereabouts, and was priciest in places like NYC. (Of course, I'm referring to relatively comparable service.)
Now I finally have a need for a single server colo (1U). The most-mentioned places in Texas on these boards are cologuys, colo4dallas, etc. Most of them have reasonable rates listed right on their website, around $100-170 for the bandwidth that I need, about 1.5Mbps.
But I've also been requesting quotes from various providers in NYC, who are also popular on these boards. And while there are some in the $200-250 range, which is what I was expecting, there are some that are mentioned highly on these boards (toqen, thenynoc, razorblue, etc.) that are quoting $60-100/month for the same amount of bandwidth.
I.e., not only comparable but in fact *lower* than the Texas colos.
What am I missing here? It's very possible that I'm comparing apples to oranges, cuz I really don't know any of these businesses. Just forming an opinion based on what gets recommended here on a consistent basis.
I am shopping for servers with 32-64GB of RAM and the typical list price of $10/gbyte is not in line with reality (ie 4GB ECC DDR2 RAM can be bought for 70 bucks). I saw WebNX special offers between 2-300 dollars for 32GB machines, now that's more like it but, I cant really rely on special offers on the long run.
As my application will be frontended by a CDN, network quality is somewhat less of an issue. Reliability and price is. So who be good a choice for machines with lots of RAM? (almost obviously, AMD, Intel uses FB-DIMM and I am not inclined to pay through my nose for that) I guess WebNX is one,
I am setting up a paid and free hosting site and looking for a vps to get started.
i am looking for the following spec:- 15gb webspace 200gb bandwidth 384mb ram fixed ip burst would be nice then either cpanel or directadmin, not bothered really but since i really want to keep prices low it will probably end up being direcadmin unless there are any other options?
i am not bother for support really so unmanaged is fine although i do want the ability to do remote reboots from hypervm or something.
server location isn't too bothered but uk or us is preferred.
i have looked at cheapvps but just checking out other options.
im a webmaster i have 5 site im having problem with my hosting company ffmpeg dont work etc etc im searching for a cheap VPS i have visit keyweb.de but i dont know they bandwidth and thy dont have support any one tell me a good company my budget 15 month
I'd like to set up a VPN or something similar between my house and my brother's house so we can easily share data and play games. I do not have any server software on my computer. I'm currently running Win2K and he's running XP. Is there a solution out there that's free or at least reasonably priced ($20.00 or so)?
I'm looking for a cheap VPS with the following requirements:
- Based in the EU - Unlimited monthly bandwidth - Price under 50 EUR / month, the cheaper the better - At least 20GB space, at least 10 MBit, other specs do not matter - Linux distro or FreeBSD, SSH access - Good reliability, doesn't mean i want a 99% uptime guarantee, but something that doesn't have too many problems Preferred locations are near Austria, but anywhere in the EU is good. Also it is a plus if they have upgrade options to better packages if i need it at a later time.
I liked Kimsufi, however I cannot rent from my country even though I can pay by credit card or paypal. I am based in Slovenia and i can pay by Visa debit or Paypal (Visa preferred).
Im thinking of buying my own server, i need a cheap mid range spec server, where can i get a decent priced one? or maybe a empty chassis..
then id like a decent priced colo, i looked at 49pence there cheap give 3000gb bw and unlimited IP on ripe justification. but there support isnt for me. they dont seem to listen. if anyone has any ideas on where i can find these 2 things please let me know.
To cut costs I'm planning on eliminating my VPS and will just host the few sites that I have on my home-office network. However I have 1 site that requires a SSL certificate. Is there an inexpensive solution for doing this that doesn't cost into the thousands per year?
