Looking To Cut Costs Without Loosing Quality. Switch To Managed Cluster From Dedicate
May 19, 2009
actually we are hosting around 130-140 sites on a dedicated server in spain. We are paying 325 € (442 $) per month for the server, 250gb of backup space included, plus 105 € (143 $) per month for admin of the box, that help us to migrate new sites, install scripts, hack attacks, etc.
That includes cpanel, fantastico, q9300 cpu, 4 gb ram, 2x500 gb sata in raid 1, 100 mb port and 16 ip's. I know we can get more for less, but the connectivity in spain is fast for our clients, very reliable, and the phone support of datacenter is fast when we need it.
Apart from that, i have to pay for rvskin, rvsitebuilder and easyantispam.
What i want to know, is there a way i could get a good european host with good network uptime and datacenter support if needed (i.e. ram needs to be changed, kvm doesn't work, etc) and, if possible, good management (although i can continue to pay what i pay).
I was thinking that as our box is underused (176 gb home dir, around 200 gb total, avg load for week 0.97) maybe a managed cluster host could help to cut our costs greatly (at least 30%) maintaining or even improving speed & quality of service? or even grid hosting or vps?
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Nov 12, 2007
For learning purposes, I'd like to purchase a switch to network at least 4 servers. Based on your knowledge of switches and the ones you currently use in production, could you recommend some switches that, while initially for development use, could be transitioned to production?
I'd like a switch that specifically isn't meant for home use, because a big part of the reason for purchasing it is to get experience configuring, using, and troubleshooting a production-quality switch that has anywhere from 8-32 ports.
For those of you that actually network 32 devices together in production, do you have one mega 32-port switch, or multiple smaller (e.g. 8-port) switches? What setup, in your experience, have you determined to be ideal?
What criteria are very important to consider when purchasing a switch that, as a newbie to this area, I may not have otherwise considered? Most resources on this topic give pretty basic information, but don't highlight the real 'gotcha' areas.
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Aug 28, 2008
I have very sad experience with solarvps and their support quality these days. I'm their user for over year now. Minor problems appeared rarely, but in those cases support reacting time and quality was simply excellent.
Now something wrong happened with them. To problem ticket, which priority is defined as emergency, they answer after 4 hours. Now i'm waiting for last answer already 11 hours.No answer till now. And server is not usable, our customers ar ready to eat us alive. It's going third day as we suffer from problem.
Ok, lets say their support staff is unable to solve this complex problem. But they should at least inform customer what is done to solve problem, what means are used and what's the current situation and problem solving progress. At first problem day they used to reply godaddy-style short zero-valuable comments, that have nothing to do with problem essence and solution. They simply don't try (or unable) to understand problem deeply enough.
This message to forum has mainly two targets. Primary is to get problem solution from all of you, who may have experienced same problem as me, since i already lost my hope to get problem solution from solarvps. Second - to kick *** solarVPS a bit for poor service quality.
And here is the problem.
VPS system: windows OS, 384mb of ram (venusX package).
As soon as i start apache server, or IIS server, or whatever server that is listening to port 80, same moment TCP connection count (measured by windows 'performance' tool) rises to more than 300, usually 600. Then all http requests are rejected, website is completely down. It is notable, that problem is clearly not caused by heavy http server loads. Problem appears on even low load. Stopping http server causes connections to fall to normal level, nearly 0. Starting again suddenly causes problem again. Connection count jumps rapidly to >300.
This problem appears about 30% of all time. There are periods problem does not appear, server functions normal. No problem regularity found.
It seems that connections are stuck at OS or physical level, they are not even handled by apache. Apache logs show no or little activity when problem happens, CPU usage is very low. Only very small part of requests are passed to apache. Others are just gone, although large amount of connections are shown by system. Seems they are somehow 'hung' and stay too long not disconnected.
When trying to reach website through browser, firefox says 'connection interrupted' at same moment. This again shows that requests are not even processed by apache. In case of heavy load 'time out' would appear after several seconds only.
At early stages of problem i suspected two causes: apache server software problem or DoS attack. Both of these were denied. Apache was reinstalled (and IIS, lighthttpd 'causes' the same problem too). DoS as cause was denied too, as traffic does not seem suspicious.
At this moment i do not know what to suspect, but its almost clear it's solarvps problem, not mine. As long as they did not deny it and got full understanding of problem. I could suspect virus, making DoS in their network, router physical disorder, what else? Anyway their problem, not mine. But his becomes my problem, as i have no service for third day.
I do not blame solarVPS for problem. Problem is realy mystical and interesting, it may happen to anyone. I just say that their support reacting time and quality is pathetic in this situation. And i miss adequate work to find problem cause.
Anyway they have work around to solve problem - move my whole VPS account to another physical server. But they don't answer about this.
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May 27, 2007
I'd like to know which switch brand/model you would advice me to do the following :
- 48 ports 10/100
- Limit traffic per port
- Ability to makes MRTG stats per port using SNMP
- Gigabit uplink is a plus
while you know the budget of this should be something around 200 to 500$; I am also interested in medium quality switches, so I guess Cisco and such brands should be avoided for my budget.
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Mar 4, 2007
A month or so I bought a cheap NetGear FSM762 managed switch of eBay.
Its perfect for our needs as its only ever going to have 20 low traffic servers plugged in. When I first received it I tried it on my local home network and was able to login to the webadmin, telnet and serial/console perfectly, now I have plugged it into a live setup, added the IPs to it (rather than DHCP on my home setup) and the bugger just doesnt want to load up telnet or webadmin but serial/console is working perfectly.
If I go to the webadmin I get: Bad Request (Invalid Hostname). Last night we moved all our servers to a new rack and we got the error above. Before this the page wouldnt load at all
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Jul 3, 2007
I've been tasked with buying a "good" edge switch for my company's datacenter presence. After a full day of searching around and reading, I think I have decided on a procurve. The question now is what is sufficient for our needs.
We currently have 8 machines and will possibly add another 3 or 4 before the end of the year. We're running gigabit everywhere at the moment, and at bare minimum would need gigabit to 3 of our servers currently. Hopefully we will need gigabit to 4 or 5 servers by the end of the year.
Our website is of very high value to us, but we're also very much in the startup mentality of pinching pennies.
My question is if a web managed switch like the procurve 1800-24g has some performance/reliability downsides compared to like a 2810-24g managed switch. Looks like the 1800-24g can be had for about $400, and the 2810-24g for about $1300.
Searching around this forum, I saw a few references to the 1800-24g where the comment was that it would be great for a lower throughput need. Can anyone tell me why this would be insufficient for higher demands?
Our peak sustained throughput on the uplink to the hosting provider's router so far has been about 120mbps, and we hope to double this by end of year (and grow beyond).
If possible, I would like to be forward looking to the point where we will want to spend more money and have redundant switches in place to protect uptime. I do see that the 2810-24g is listed as stackable, but reading /rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Stacking_Technology.pdf on HP's website (newbie not allowed to link in posts) seems to me to say that I wouldn't have any options for automatic failover to a slave switch with it. Does anyone know if this is correct?
Having a failover hot switch ready is not a deal breaker since we're only looking at switches that will give us high confidence in the first place.
How about comments on the wisdom of buying something like this used? My gut instinct is that I should avoid used since this is a high performance single point of failure for our entire internet presence. But I don't know how rock solid I should expect a used procurve to be.
In case you are wondering, our technical needs from the switch our modest. I will probably set up a vlan for each of our load balancing clusters to contain multicasting, but the only other feature I know of so far that I desire is the snmp reporting data.
I guess the root question is - would a web managed procurve leave me at a disadvantage for row performance or reliability compared to a full managed procurve?
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Nov 18, 2008
I have added a few additional IP's to my server, now all is working fine, but for the main site I want to add a specific IP for that one account to use?
Every IP i add seems to just be a shared IP and requires [url]
when you goto the IP:[url]
it just points back to the main shared IP
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Nov 25, 2014
I've got an install of plesk 12 on a Centos 6 that i'm only using as a mailserver for my clients. I have a couple of them live so any data loss is a bit of a problem. Anyway, currently i have a 150 g SSD running but that's not going to be sufficient for my purpose of running hundreds of accounts with 3Gig of inbox space. I have connected a new HD with 2T capacity.
Currently everything looks like this:
vda 252:0 0 150G 0 disk
├─vda1 252:1 0 500M 0 part /boot
└─vda2 252:2 0 149.5G 0 part
├─vg_plesk-lv_root (dm-0) 253:0 0 148G 0 lvm /
├─vg_plesk-lv_swap (dm-1) 253:1 0 1G 0 lvm [SWAP]
└─vg_plesk-lv_tmp (dm-2) 253:2 0 512M 0 lvm /tmp
vdb 252:16 0 2T 0 disk
Which steps do I need to take to use this disk to store all data regarding to e-mails etc etc without losing data or settings? While we're at it, I also would like to increase the partition /tmp and /swap a bit. In my experience with plesk on other servers the /tmp folder is getting full when downloading backups, is that correct?
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May 9, 2009
how the hosting provider would back me up in setting up my vps, support in additional issues etc. with regards each of the above topics.
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Mar 29, 2009
I am considering moving to dedicated server, what are risks with self managed server compared to managed?
Managed servers are very expensive for my needs.
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Sep 18, 2009
a sales told me i can buy two switch and do series connection,
then if one fail,another will continue to work,
it will take high HA,
but i still can not understand how to do it and work,
could you know what it is?
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Aug 17, 2009
I'm not much of a co-location expert as we do not own our own equipment but a customer we help from time to time is asking me about this. They have a cabinet at theplanet and only a pair of redundant 100mbit uplinks coming into their cisco 2924 they rent from theplanet. Theplanet wants $350/mo along with $350 setup for a pair of redundant gigabit uplinks. Then another $225/mo for a Cisco Catalyst 2960G.
Does this at all seem reasonable to anyone? The switch can just be purchased so it's not that big of a deal. The uplink cost cannot be avoided though. If it's not reasonable obviously they can go back to their account manager to discuss it but I don't know what you'd expect to pay in Dallas for that.
Also before anyone suggests any other provider not an option. Last time they looked around theplanet was the only provider in dallas capable of handling the attacks. Others would just null route the IP's rather than trying to mitigate the attacks. So no point in making suggestions as it's been explored in the past.
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Aug 21, 2009
I purchased a dual opteron, 4gb server from Geeks and was thinking of colocation, but the prices are outlandish.
I currently have a dual Xeon 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, 100mbps with 5tb b/w (leased) and it costs me $149/mo.
To colocate my server I get 500gb b/w and it costs me $69 is the lowest I've found. Why would a person colocate instead of just leasing?
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Feb 24, 2008
What is the average going rate for a DS3 (45Mbps) or OC3 (155Mbps) from tier one and two providers? What is the average pricing for transport cost using these two methods?
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Aug 28, 2009
So I needed to reboot one of my colocated machines into a different kernel, compile and load a kernel module (for a network interface) and then bring up that interface. So I called the datacenter support to ask if they could compile and load the module for me and inquire as to about how long that would take. On their website they say they provide Best Effort third party application support and 24/7 Phone Support with on site server admins so this doesn't really seem like a unreasonable request. I want to pay them for support and they're there to do it right?
Apparently not.
The support guy said that compiling and loading the module was dependant on "very many factors". The first "factor" he inquired about was what OS we were running--Debian. "Debian isn't a supported OS, we can't do that for you." What? I'm sorry you CAN'T do it? I thought you provided "Best Effort" support. This seems more like zero effort support to me. (I'm willing to provide step by step instructions but apparently they won't do that because they don't want to.)
Ok, fine, you won't compile and load something for me no big deal that's what KVMs are for.
"Can you hook up a KVM?"
"Sure"
"How much would that cost"
"I don't know, this is the support department not the sales department, you'd have to ask the sales department tomorrow."
Really? So if my server is exploding at night and you wont even try to do anything about it and my only option is to have you setup a KVM you can't tell me how much that will cost? What am I going to tell my boss when we get a rediculous bill for a KVM--the support guy wouldn't tell me how much it costs? Not good enough. Not only that but you're going to be a give me a snarky response to my question--a question I only asked because you wouldn't provide remote hands?
Is it just me or is it pretty rediculous that the support guys can't tell you how much KVM costs? Not all situations where you'd need KVM are planned or happen during the hours the sales department is open. It apparently isn't a problem to have them hook up the KVM 24/7 you just wont know how much it's going to cost you until the next business day. Is this typical of datacenter support?
My guess is that support is completely hit and miss, I've had great experiences with a small datacenter before (Joe's helped out when a hard drive in a RAID failed) and bad experiences with larger datacenters (one you've all heard of, I asked ahead of time if they could ghost a drive and replace it. They said yes. I provided step by step instructions with screenshots they tried it and failed saying "I don't really know linux, I'm a windows guy, I don't know what I'm doing, I messed it up somehow, I don't know what I did" and yet still billed me for it).
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Oct 26, 2009
I'm working for an organisation which is looking for a company who can provide us with a public website to be updated with a CMS and 132 secure areas which should be accessible from that public website.
Today I was sent a proposal by them stating that there would be a cost per year of:
£3,350 for data storage areas of up to 20mb space per secure area (i.e. £25 per secure area)
£6,700 for data storage areas of up to 75mb space per secure area (i.e. £50.70 per secure area)
We really would prefer much more space per area than this (upwards of 2GB per area) and are a bit wary of how much is being charged for the storage space.
I have three questions on this :
1) How do these prices compare with other hosts that you know of? Are they reasonable?
2) Is this 'secure space' much more expensive than normal space?
3) Are there hosts that offer unlimited secure space for reasonable prices?
Btw, these are the facilities that this host provides:
6 redundant Internet connections
24x7x365 onsite support
Fire protection
Backup power generators
Daily back up to magnetic tape media
Anti virus protection for all uploaded content
Industry Standard Cisco firewalls
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May 19, 2009
Is windows hosting more expensive than linux? Since the OS isn't free to start with?
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Aug 3, 2008
how much R1soft costs?
Is it worth it?
Do you have to keep your backups on one of their servers?
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Jul 16, 2008
When a colo vendor can consider themselves as a managed colocation provider? What make them different than *normal* colo service?
If you need a managed colo, why not go with managed server? With managed server, your vendor will take care about the server health, including software and hardware too
(I am mentioning to fully managed server vendors like Rackspace, don't tell me cheap managed servers)
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Aug 11, 2008
Is there any way to figure out what kind of costs it would take to have a site streaming live cam 24hrs a day?
I guess one of the biggest problems would be if someone was to leave their PC on and download 24/7?
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Jul 9, 2008
Just curious if anyone has some case studies/feedback regarding using Amazon S3 (or similar) services as a way to offset hosting needs and costs.
By that I mean being able to use a lower config server or less bandwidth because media/content is hosted on Amazon servers.
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Sep 7, 2007
I've had Jatol as a host and a few years back, they were just about the best deal out there.
Recently, I've come to learn that they will simply let the sites go down.
They host a number of my sites which have been down for a couple of days now, no one can acces. In addition their helpdesk and main site remain down and support fails to even respond to emails. Whois listed phone is disconnected.
I can't even access cpanel to backup log files/copy stats before moving to another host.
I'm getting the impression they won't honor the remaining time on the account (prepaid for (1) year). This possible fraud?
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Aug 9, 2007
I've just had a quote for a VPS that seemed good value for money until the cost of a Direct Admin license was added ($15 extra).
Looking at DA's pricing the cheapest license you can buy is an internal license (in bulk) which is available to server providers only at 9$ a month.
If that is the case why is it that quite a few providers in the offers forum are providing DA for 5$ or 6$?
As these licenses are being offered on low end VPS with tight margins anyway, I can't understand how they can afford to make a loss on the control panel (if they are in fact).
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Jun 28, 2009
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Apr 29, 2008
I had been a Omnis.com customer for the last 6 years.
Was hosting 8 Domains with them and paying nearly $100 on each domain per year.
Now this issue happened many times before but i ignored it, but not anymore.
One of the accounts - they had capped email limit of 200MB - now we all know that is not much.
One morning i getup and i have no emails - wondering what the issue is , i login to my account and notice that i am 30MB over the limit, now that is not too much, so i think i willjust login and clear some emails and make room.
To my surprise on logging in - i see NO EMAILS whatsoever in any of my email accounts. Now the dilema is what to delete when i see no emails , so my next step is to call customer support.
Thinking that i am in Los Angeles, these guys are in Los Angeles - they would be nice and helpful , to my surprise i have never spoken to more rude and egoistic people in my life.
The support guy has only 1 solution for me - go in to my email control panel and delete the accounts and recreate them to get free disk space - but is that not amazing - he says i cannot see any of my emails because i am over the limit -- he says he cannot upgrade my account even if i pay right away , because i am over the limit - so only solution delete the account - with a sad heart i deleted my wife's account which had 40MB in it and recreated it.
Even then the emails did not show up - so very nicely the support guy says - Sir! give it 4 - 5 hours to refresh and then you will see your emails.
Now tell me my friends is this the kind of host you would ever want to go with ? that also after spending nearly $700 every year for the last 6 years..
Please stay away from them - i am in the process of moving over to innohosting after reading this forums , rameen of innohosting was so helpful - wish all hosts were the same.
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Aug 24, 2008
I have a client with a site (wordpress blog) that gets 10,000 + hits a day. I need to find him a dedicated managed server so that his site runs smoothly and also has no outages. I just received a quote from another host for his Managed Dedicated Servers.
CPU1: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
CPU2: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
Total CPU Cores: Eight (8)
System RAM: 6144MB (6GB) DDR2 ECC Registered System RAM
Primary Hard Disk: 73GB Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM High-Performance Hard Disk
Second Hard Disk: 250GB SATA-II 7,200 RPM Hard Disk (nightly backup disk)
Data Transfer: 2000GB Premium Monthly Bandwidth (100Mbps uplinked port)
Operating System: CentOS Enterprise Linux 5 64-Bit (x86_64)
Control Panel License: cPanel / WHM + Fantastico Auto Installer$695 a month
He posts about 5-10 blogs a day too, so it's definitely a growing community website. He also has a forum with 6500 posts and 389 members.
Is this a reasonable price for a dedicated server? Would you recommend a different configuration of hardware that might make it cheaper? I would also like some examples of other sites on similar configurations if you have any, so that I can show my client what they use.
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Nov 9, 2008
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What are the initial costs? What are the long term costs?
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