Jatol - Avoid This Host At All Possible Costs

Sep 7, 2007

I've had Jatol as a host and a few years back, they were just about the best deal out there.

Recently, I've come to learn that they will simply let the sites go down.

They host a number of my sites which have been down for a couple of days now, no one can acces. In addition their helpdesk and main site remain down and support fails to even respond to emails. Whois listed phone is disconnected.

I can't even access cpanel to backup log files/copy stats before moving to another host.

I'm getting the impression they won't honor the remaining time on the account (prepaid for (1) year). This possible fraud?

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Omnis Network - A Host Be Avoided At All Costs

Apr 29, 2008

I had been a Omnis.com customer for the last 6 years.
Was hosting 8 Domains with them and paying nearly $100 on each domain per year.

Now this issue happened many times before but i ignored it, but not anymore.

One of the accounts - they had capped email limit of 200MB - now we all know that is not much.

One morning i getup and i have no emails - wondering what the issue is , i login to my account and notice that i am 30MB over the limit, now that is not too much, so i think i willjust login and clear some emails and make room.

To my surprise on logging in - i see NO EMAILS whatsoever in any of my email accounts. Now the dilema is what to delete when i see no emails , so my next step is to call customer support.

Thinking that i am in Los Angeles, these guys are in Los Angeles - they would be nice and helpful , to my surprise i have never spoken to more rude and egoistic people in my life.

The support guy has only 1 solution for me - go in to my email control panel and delete the accounts and recreate them to get free disk space - but is that not amazing - he says i cannot see any of my emails because i am over the limit -- he says he cannot upgrade my account even if i pay right away , because i am over the limit - so only solution delete the account - with a sad heart i deleted my wife's account which had 40MB in it and recreated it.

Even then the emails did not show up - so very nicely the support guy says - Sir! give it 4 - 5 hours to refresh and then you will see your emails.

Now tell me my friends is this the kind of host you would ever want to go with ? that also after spending nearly $700 every year for the last 6 years..

Please stay away from them - i am in the process of moving over to innohosting after reading this forums , rameen of innohosting was so helpful - wish all hosts were the same.

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REVIEW Absolute Design Barnsley Absolutewebdesign.co.uk Avoid Smart Merchant AVOID

Mar 3, 2009

i would just like to vocalise my utter disbelief at how incompetent and dishonest Absolute Design Barnsley aka Smart Merchant aka Absolutewebdesign.co.uk have been.

Our company signed up just over a year ago to their Absolute Design Smart Merchant shopping cart website system.

To overview, this is a pay-monthly service where they host the site and we add products to the CMS style website that Absolute Design have produced.

Being a small family business we opted for this kind of pay monthly service as it would (we hoped) give us some level of support from Absolute Design Barnsley to help with the running of the site.

At first they were helpful at getting the site setup initially but months down the line and after phonecalls or online chats with Absolute Design , the result has been no action being taken as requested.

Simple things like removing the option for other currencies... I phoned in August of 2008 and was asked to email the request to Absolute Design Barnsley , which i did. Did the other currencies get removed? Nope! I phoned and emailed many times.

This year due to the economic climate we have had many price changes to do, so i phoned Absolute Design Barnsley and asked for a holding page to be put up while i changed all the prices.

I was told this would be done within the hour.

I had my doubts that this would actually happen due to past experience, and indeed a WEEK later and the holding page STILL was not up.

During this week we had several people try and buy things at the old prices and we had to cancel orders. This is obviously frustrating for us and the customers.

Due to Absolute Design 's Smart Merchant poor system i since found out i was unable to 'turn off' the shop in any way except for basically deleting the entire payment gateway setup.

Products were also still viewable at old prices via google, even if i disabled them in the CMS itself. BAD Smart Merchant !

Also in this time i managed to decide and almost fully populate a new website for our shop, it seem's Absolute Design Barnsley cannot even produce a holding page in that same space of time.

Now, you may think why didnt i just leave? Well, after that week i rang up and asked to cancel, i was asked why and i CALMLY stated my reasons, which were basically poor support.

This resulted in Andy Clegg from Absolute Design Barnsley saying to email my request to leave and he slammed down the phone.

I emailed my request to change our Domain IPS tag and contact details and within a few minutes our website had been deleted BUT Absolute Design Barnsley decided to delete the IPSTAG for the domain, basically rendering the domain useless, including our email which we use on a daily basis.

I spoke Absolute Design again on the webchat (on a friday) and asked them to change the IPStag again, they said ok, but it probably wont get done till Monday.

I was obviously doubtful as it didnt take them long to delete the IPSTAG....

Monday comes and Absolute Design still haven't changed the IPSTAG. We are shut on mondays so i rang on Tuesday and spoke to Craig. He seemed more reasonable and said he would change it shortly. Several hours later and Absolute Design Barnsley still had'nt changed our IPSTAG and were still basically holding our domain hostage.

I ring up AGAIN, speak to craig, he says hold on for a moment, about a minute later they just hung up the phone again. I ring once more and noone answers...

Instead of swift switchover to the new site, Absolute Design Barnsley have forced us to take action with Nominet to recover our domain.

This just seems ridiculous, I'm guessing Absolute Design Barnsley must be losing alot of customers but to act the way they have is just childish.

What is the point of causing so much agro just because someone wants to cancel?

I hope this post reaches anyone else who is considering taking up services with Absolute Design Barnsley aka Absolute Web Design aka Absolute Web Hosting aka Absolute Shopping Cart aka Smart Merchant and urge you to think twice!

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Uplink Costs

Aug 17, 2009

I'm not much of a co-location expert as we do not own our own equipment but a customer we help from time to time is asking me about this. They have a cabinet at theplanet and only a pair of redundant 100mbit uplinks coming into their cisco 2924 they rent from theplanet. Theplanet wants $350/mo along with $350 setup for a pair of redundant gigabit uplinks. Then another $225/mo for a Cisco Catalyst 2960G.

Does this at all seem reasonable to anyone? The switch can just be purchased so it's not that big of a deal. The uplink cost cannot be avoided though. If it's not reasonable obviously they can go back to their account manager to discuss it but I don't know what you'd expect to pay in Dallas for that.

Also before anyone suggests any other provider not an option. Last time they looked around theplanet was the only provider in dallas capable of handling the attacks. Others would just null route the IP's rather than trying to mitigate the attacks. So no point in making suggestions as it's been explored in the past.

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Colocation Costs

Aug 21, 2009

I purchased a dual opteron, 4gb server from Geeks and was thinking of colocation, but the prices are outlandish.

I currently have a dual Xeon 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, 100mbps with 5tb b/w (leased) and it costs me $149/mo.

To colocate my server I get 500gb b/w and it costs me $69 is the lowest I've found. Why would a person colocate instead of just leasing?

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DS3 OC3 Port Costs

Feb 24, 2008

What is the average going rate for a DS3 (45Mbps) or OC3 (155Mbps) from tier one and two providers? What is the average pricing for transport cost using these two methods?

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Datacenter Support Cant Tell Me How Much A KVM Costs

Aug 28, 2009

So I needed to reboot one of my colocated machines into a different kernel, compile and load a kernel module (for a network interface) and then bring up that interface. So I called the datacenter support to ask if they could compile and load the module for me and inquire as to about how long that would take. On their website they say they provide Best Effort third party application support and 24/7 Phone Support with on site server admins so this doesn't really seem like a unreasonable request. I want to pay them for support and they're there to do it right?

Apparently not.

The support guy said that compiling and loading the module was dependant on "very many factors". The first "factor" he inquired about was what OS we were running--Debian. "Debian isn't a supported OS, we can't do that for you." What? I'm sorry you CAN'T do it? I thought you provided "Best Effort" support. This seems more like zero effort support to me. (I'm willing to provide step by step instructions but apparently they won't do that because they don't want to.)

Ok, fine, you won't compile and load something for me no big deal that's what KVMs are for.

"Can you hook up a KVM?"


"How much would that cost"

"I don't know, this is the support department not the sales department, you'd have to ask the sales department tomorrow."

Really? So if my server is exploding at night and you wont even try to do anything about it and my only option is to have you setup a KVM you can't tell me how much that will cost? What am I going to tell my boss when we get a rediculous bill for a KVM--the support guy wouldn't tell me how much it costs? Not good enough. Not only that but you're going to be a give me a snarky response to my question--a question I only asked because you wouldn't provide remote hands?

Is it just me or is it pretty rediculous that the support guys can't tell you how much KVM costs? Not all situations where you'd need KVM are planned or happen during the hours the sales department is open. It apparently isn't a problem to have them hook up the KVM 24/7 you just wont know how much it's going to cost you until the next business day. Is this typical of datacenter support?

My guess is that support is completely hit and miss, I've had great experiences with a small datacenter before (Joe's helped out when a hard drive in a RAID failed) and bad experiences with larger datacenters (one you've all heard of, I asked ahead of time if they could ghost a drive and replace it. They said yes. I provided step by step instructions with screenshots they tried it and failed saying "I don't really know linux, I'm a windows guy, I don't know what I'm doing, I messed it up somehow, I don't know what I did" and yet still billed me for it).

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Secure Web Space Costs

Oct 26, 2009

I'm working for an organisation which is looking for a company who can provide us with a public website to be updated with a CMS and 132 secure areas which should be accessible from that public website.

Today I was sent a proposal by them stating that there would be a cost per year of:

3,350 for data storage areas of up to 20mb space per secure area (i.e. 25 per secure area)

6,700 for data storage areas of up to 75mb space per secure area (i.e. 50.70 per secure area)

We really would prefer much more space per area than this (upwards of 2GB per area) and are a bit wary of how much is being charged for the storage space.

I have three questions on this :

1) How do these prices compare with other hosts that you know of? Are they reasonable?

2) Is this 'secure space' much more expensive than normal space?

3) Are there hosts that offer unlimited secure space for reasonable prices?

Btw, these are the facilities that this host provides:

6 redundant Internet connections
24x7x365 onsite support
Fire protection
Backup power generators
Daily back up to magnetic tape media
Anti virus protection for all uploaded content
Industry Standard Cisco firewalls

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Windows Hosting Costs More

May 19, 2009

Is windows hosting more expensive than linux? Since the OS isn't free to start with?

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Does Ayone Know How Much R1soft Costs

Aug 3, 2008

how much R1soft costs?

Is it worth it?

Do you have to keep your backups on one of their servers?

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24Hour Live Streaming Costs?

Aug 11, 2008

Is there any way to figure out what kind of costs it would take to have a site streaming live cam 24hrs a day?

I guess one of the biggest problems would be if someone was to leave their PC on and download 24/7?

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Using Amazon S3 To Offset Hosting Costs

Jul 9, 2008

Just curious if anyone has some case studies/feedback regarding using Amazon S3 (or similar) services as a way to offset hosting needs and costs.

By that I mean being able to use a lower config server or less bandwidth because media/content is hosted on Amazon servers.

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Direct Admin License Costs

Aug 9, 2007

I've just had a quote for a VPS that seemed good value for money until the cost of a Direct Admin license was added ($15 extra).

Looking at DA's pricing the cheapest license you can buy is an internal license (in bulk) which is available to server providers only at 9$ a month.

If that is the case why is it that quite a few providers in the offers forum are providing DA for 5$ or 6$?

As these licenses are being offered on low end VPS with tight margins anyway, I can't understand how they can afford to make a loss on the control panel (if they are in fact).

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Jun 28, 2009

How much would it cost roughly to build a data center? I am curious because in the future I may build one

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Aug 24, 2008

I have a client with a site (wordpress blog) that gets 10,000 + hits a day. I need to find him a dedicated managed server so that his site runs smoothly and also has no outages. I just received a quote from another host for his Managed Dedicated Servers.

CPU1: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
CPU2: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
Total CPU Cores: Eight (8)
System RAM: 6144MB (6GB) DDR2 ECC Registered System RAM
Primary Hard Disk: 73GB Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM High-Performance Hard Disk
Second Hard Disk: 250GB SATA-II 7,200 RPM Hard Disk (nightly backup disk)
Data Transfer: 2000GB Premium Monthly Bandwidth (100Mbps uplinked port)
Operating System: CentOS Enterprise Linux 5 64-Bit (x86_64)
Control Panel License: cPanel / WHM + Fantastico Auto Installer$695 a month

He posts about 5-10 blogs a day too, so it's definitely a growing community website. He also has a forum with 6500 posts and 389 members.

Is this a reasonable price for a dedicated server? Would you recommend a different configuration of hardware that might make it cheaper? I would also like some examples of other sites on similar configurations if you have any, so that I can show my client what they use.

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Windows / Sql Server / Exchange Licence Costs

Nov 9, 2008

We've been buying our Microsoft licences retail which was fine when we were a lot smaller. But as we grow I was thinking about the joining the Microsoft services provider licence agreement.

Can anyone out there give me an idea if this is a worthwhile route to take for a managed services webhost? If so what are the requirements, we aren't a Microsoft partner, have no Microsoft certifications, etc.

What are the initial costs? What are the long term costs?

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Which Data Center Has Lowest Rack/power Costs

Feb 10, 2007

which data center has lowest rack/power costs, yet has decent reputation, security, and remote hands?

we have expanded to the point where we have backup equipment scattered everywhere and want to consolidate that equipment into a single rack or two.

Network quality is not an issue as it is backup, will only be used if we lose something elsewhere.

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Looking To Cut Costs Without Loosing Quality. Switch To Managed Cluster From Dedicate

May 19, 2009

actually we are hosting around 130-140 sites on a dedicated server in spain. We are paying 325 (442 $) per month for the server, 250gb of backup space included, plus 105 (143 $) per month for admin of the box, that help us to migrate new sites, install scripts, hack attacks, etc.

That includes cpanel, fantastico, q9300 cpu, 4 gb ram, 2x500 gb sata in raid 1, 100 mb port and 16 ip's. I know we can get more for less, but the connectivity in spain is fast for our clients, very reliable, and the phone support of datacenter is fast when we need it.

Apart from that, i have to pay for rvskin, rvsitebuilder and easyantispam.

What i want to know, is there a way i could get a good european host with good network uptime and datacenter support if needed (i.e. ram needs to be changed, kvm doesn't work, etc) and, if possible, good management (although i can continue to pay what i pay).

I was thinking that as our box is underused (176 gb home dir, around 200 gb total, avg load for week 0.97) maybe a managed cluster host could help to cut our costs greatly (at least 30%) maintaining or even improving speed & quality of service? or even grid hosting or vps?

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How Do You Avoid Using Chmod 777

Nov 5, 2009

I know you're not supposed to use 777 but it seems some scripts just simply won't work without it, what steps needs to be taken to avoid using 777?

as far as i understand we're only supposed to use 775 for folders and 644 for files correct?

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123-Reg.co.uk - Avoid Like The Plague

Apr 21, 2008

I thought I should share with everyone my terrible experience with 123-Reg's dedicated servers.

I'd had one of their Linux servers for about 2 years when it suddenly stopped responding. I emailed their support team (there is no telephone support for dedicated server customers for some reason) who responded saying that the hard drive had failed and that they'd assign a new server to our account and copy over the data (if still readable) asap.

After a few days they responded again to my original support ticket explaining that they were unable to assign a new server to my account and that I'd have to go through the order process again. I did this and waited for them to try and copy the data over; the only response to this was that they'd "request that a technician connect the old hard drive to the new server", and the support ticket status was updated to "solved", despite the fact that it clearly wasn't.

Days turned into weeks and not a single byte of data had been copied across. I opened yet another support ticket asking when they would do this, and this is the response I got:

"You will need to login as Administrator and copy files across. If you want us to copy certain files, we need to know what directories you want copied and there will be a charge of 100+VAT."

That's right, 117.50 for them to restore our data despite it being COMPLETELY THEIR FAULT that the server had gone offline. I could possibly understand the charge if somehow I'd managed to cause the hard drive failure but obviously this was not the case.

I seriously have no idea how they expect to be able to justify this charge.

So you might be thinking, "why not just login as administrator and copy it across yourself?" Good question - unfortunately they only give administrator or root access to customers who request it via their control panel, and those who do request root access subsequently forfeit any software updating/patching/configuration or technical support. In other words, I had to sacrifice all this if I wanted my data back, which was not an acceptable course of action for me as I am in no way a qualified server administrator.

One of the reasons I went with 123-Reg in the first place is that they promised from the outset to take care of all server maintenance for me.

As I'm typing this, the server (and consequently all sites on it) has been offline for over a month and I have come to the conclusion that 123 are utterly incompetent server providers. I'm going to cancel my account immediately and take my business elsewhere, and assure people that staying well away from this company will be the best decision you ever make.

Has anyone else had any bad experiences with 123-Reg?

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Virpusnetworks.net - Avoid

Jul 6, 2008

i would avoid virpusnetworks.net as they do not issue refunds when they clearly state 14 days moneyback. They blantly ignore me for anything to do with refunding and also they messed up the hosting for me to begin with. Making me lose a few days waiting for them to set it up CORRECTLY they set it up but didn't include the correct password so i couldn't access it.

Anyway i still not got my money back and if i was you guys try find a different provider when it comes to peace of mind with money back.

i recommend these vps providers:

vpsland and solarvps both outstanding companys, hope to see more of them

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SLHost - Avoid

Mar 6, 2007

We read a large number of reviews and ratings before deciding on whom to go with for our VPS. In particular, the good marks for helpful technical support by SLHost staff as recommended by various posters here led us to go with them.

We paid six months in advance on February 12.

Unfortunately, it has been a nightmare. A few days after we signed up and went through the arduous process of moving data and reconfiguring the sites after the move, which consumed a total of 24 hours or so in 7 days, all was well until we ran into what apparently is a network problem. It remains and has gotten worse. We'll be leaving as soon as we find a new VPS host.

Whether a victim of their own success (perhaps they're too busy to look into things for us) or that they were simply overrated, the tech support is somewhat terse and when it came to a real problem, we were completely ignored. The issue is that the sites are unreachable and incredibly slow for 10-30 minute stretches, beginning during US nighttime from 10 p.m. - 2 a.m. Pacific. After about a week and countless more emails sent and received between their tech support, it began happening during the daytimes too. Tech support insists that there is nothing they can do, but it is exclusively our sites that we can't contact, and that goes for our users as well. They have said unless we have our site's users (who aren't computer technically proficient people and are very confused when we try to give them instructions on how to run a traceroute) run traceroutes as well, they don't have enough evidence there is a problem. This, despite the fact that there is a large discussion about it with various users from around the globe reporting the problem alongside their location. I linked them to this, and they dismissed it.

I advised them I would be making a report of my extremely poor experience with their services on this website. They dismissed that too. They are either overwhelmed, or it is what it appears to be: they simply couldn't care less.

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Flexihostings.net - Avoid

Jul 6, 2008

Double billed. They cannot keep their servers running. Over one week and still no customer support for vps and a hosting account. After a week they have begun to respond to the server down tickets but they do nothing. Not even reimage. Seems they just take your money and run. All information on the sites is gone. All number 1 search engine ranking gone.

If you enjoy talking to voicemail then this is the site for you.

Now I have to work things out with the credit card company.

Will fly to Singapore tomorrow to see if the company exists and to contact a law firm.

Wish I had checked the reviews here before being ripped off.

My only purpose in life is to destroy this company.

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Avoid 98ways.com

Jun 26, 2008

My experience with 98ways.com was not bad when I signed up but about 2 days later the service went down and now about 3 days in it is still down. So I emailed a few times their admin@98ways.com email address asking to cancel / refund but the email address bounced back to me. This was the email address my invoice came from. So I cancelled my paypal subscription and emailed the address my payment went to "ollie.szczypka@googlemail.com" figuring it was a business email address since they use it for payments.

They replied with:
"no refunds and dont email personal email.
good day."

What I was upset about is if this company wants to make a go then they have to be reputable... Email their customers if they are having problems, give refunds when necessary, etc... The initial month was only $1.50 but its the point of it all... And I could have sworn I read a notice about a 14 day money back guarantee.....

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Dec 11, 2007

We have been in trouble with BTN network since the earth quake in Taiwan. Meanwhile we dont have direct connection with BTN, the upstreams in our datacenter have peering with them. When making traceroute, it shows data from servers to customers routed through BTN. But the staff in datacenter said they cannot do anything to prevent this

to avoid routing through BTN network?

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Avoid Leeware

Apr 23, 2007

Hundreds of hours of work down the drain...

Probably should've backed up my files more often, but that is hard to do when in the process of developing multiple sites.

I'll start by telling you exactly what happened.

Yesterday, at approximately 5:45PM I had checked my email, to my dismay i found that my payment had bounced due to the fact that I had forgotten to update my billing info (I was using my temp credit card until my new one had arrived in the mail). When I logged in to paypal, i had found Leeware had canceled my subscription making it impossible for me to get a payment in. At this point i had contacted trying to resolve the situation ASAP. After a series of emails i had found out that they had destroyed my server, and all files that were on it, including multiple sites which i had spent the last 3 weeks working full time hours a week on.

Reading through the TOS I found many half truths and full lies. When I signed up I had read


It is your responsibility to make sure you have the funds to cover your subscription and resolve any problems which result in funds not being available when they are due. You also agree that in some circumstances your original server will not be placed back online because it has been archived and will therefore, require the payment of a recovery fee of $25 to be restored.

Which I believed meant that my server would be archived and i would be able to pay the recovery fee if something like this was to occur. This however is obviously not the truth.


Subsequent payments are due on the anniversary date of the month for that month's service.

Again, I was ready and willing to pay on the date stated above.

My advice to anybody thinking about going with leeware; don't. It's not worth the risk, unless you run a hobby site or something you wouldnt miss.

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MyDediServer - Avoid It At ANY Cost

Jan 30, 2008

My company rents machines and hosts our sites world wide. Lately we've seen a nice deal from MyDediServer here on WHT and rented out a QuadCore at a nice price.

We hoped that the "you get what you pay for" don't happen here but we were WAY wrong.

We started this weeks discovering the server is down. No access, no pings no SSH.

As there is no remote boot option I open an urgent ticket to support asking them to reboot the machine immediatly. After 2 hours of "we are on it" replies I chatted with their support only to be told "Admins will reboot it soon".

All and all it took them 12 (!!!) hours to reboot my machine and to top that when I've asked why it was down at the first place they ignored my questions (I've asked via ticket, email and support chat - all 3 ignored me).

I did claim it's either a DC, Network or machine problem yet they claim it is not.
Machine messages log is clean and no shutdown was issued.

Anyway Today (2 days after) I got a newspaper article made about my site ($$$) and when I came online to see traffic I was shocked to find out that the machine is down and off the grid yet again (!).

A support ticket was opened again two hours ago and a reboot is yet to be seen.

My feedback - keep clear - don't use them and avoid them even if they hand out free 8-core machines (!). They seem to be a one man (if at all) show with no to low customer orientation and a non-existing to low-existing support.

My guess is that they have a "chat operator" in India while the DC control does only US prime time support hence when I ask for a reboot it won't happen till the DC guys wake up in the US which sucks.

I try to avoid trash talk as I hate that but these guys are the worst I've ever used (and I rented out at dozens of companies).


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May 20, 2008

For past one week, my wordpress based blog is just dead, becasue of heavy trackback/pingback spamming(500 a minute). I've tried various plugins, but to no avail.

In addition to stop spammers before generating PHP load, I've tried all possible HTACCESS rules, but to no avail. I truly sure, I've done something wrong.

May I request the experts here to advice on how to stop this ongoing spamming?

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Avoid HostPapa Like The Plague

Nov 18, 2008

I have a long list of good reasons why not to use HostPapa. My fist major problem with them was that a couple weeks after I started being hosted by them I was told by one of their tech guys that I was not allowed to host my site on their server. What a rude awakening considering my page is only a PHP web based game that using only a tiny bit of system resources. The idiots they hire there thought I was running a game server for first person shooter games even when I specifically told them that I was running a small PHP game I wrote myself and there was nothing in their EULA that disallowed me from running my site. At least their head admin haves half a brain and said everything was fine, but from there on every time I contacted support I was harassed about running a PHP program on their server which was very annoying. If you are planning on using PHP or having your site being anything about games at all, HostPapa is not for you.

My second problem was the page not working, being very slow, or outright completely down. The site seemed to go down for about an hour or two every other week. Then came a couple BIG downs. In one case last month my site was down for most of a day and night. That is 24 hours. If you like your site to have more uptime than a free host then HostPapa is not for you.

Yes, then came the third problem I had with them. First, they force you to commit to one year because they know you will leave the moment you notice their crappy service, but they do advertise a 99.9% guarantee on the front page of their site. So, I wrote to their forum asking politely asking for the reminder of my year as a refund. I was rudely told that 99.9% does not mean my site. Yea, they don't mean your site is up 99.9% of the time even though they imply this. They only consider something down when the server you are on goes completely and utterly dead. To make things worse, unlike most other providers they don't have any server status andywhere and they will not respond to you if you ask. So, there is no way for me to tell if he was telling the truth or not. If you want a web host provider that does not cheat and lie HostPapa is not for you.

if it was not bad enough that HostPapa bailed out on their %99.9 uptime guarantee they deleted my post asking them about it on their forum without notice. Then, when I made another post politely asking why, they deleted that post; once again, without giving any reason to me. If you want a host you can trust and listens HostPapa is not right for you.

Please, do yourself a huge favour. If you are ever looking for a web host provider avoid HostPapa like the plague. Also, make sure you spend several; hours checking up on a host and don't take their own forums seriously unless you see bad things about them.

If there is nothing bad written about them on their own forum, chances are, they are deleting all the bad stuff. And make sure to check neutral places like this, webhostingtalk.com, where people rate their own host. I have done all this now and found a short list of very good host.

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Nov 25, 2008

i and some other people were scammed under Hetzner servers. Please avoid hetzner. I found out its not the first time they were used by Scammers, and im sure it wont be the last.

Maybe you have some nice memories with hetzner, well i cant deny that, but wait until you get into a messy situation, you will see the true color of this company.

When I smell something not right about Hannes, I immediately seeked their assistance to move in my data to their server. But Hetzner, didnt care.

Someone told me, in a similar incident few months ago, they were scammed by some guys selling Hetnser colo. This person contacted Hetzner and Hetzner didnt care.
Its true. Hetzner didnt care. I contacted them so to get assistant to move my data into their servers. I told them I want to be their customer, but they simply told me to rent a server and move the data myself.

This is the true Hetzner!! It has been home of few or maybe dozens of Scammers. And time has proven itself, be careful of hetzner.

Some people will say, its not Hetzner's fault, but remember this its not the first time, hetzner's used by Scammers. In reality, if you keep a Scammer in your home and he scammed the society using ur name, in some countries, you can be liable too.

What Im saying is, avoid hetzner before you ended up in trouble, because then only you will see their true color. By then its too late.

Theres nothing much I can do now.. But you can... Avoid Hetzner.. But the choice is yours.

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