Using Amazon S3 To Offset Hosting Costs
Jul 9, 2008
Just curious if anyone has some case studies/feedback regarding using Amazon S3 (or similar) services as a way to offset hosting needs and costs.
By that I mean being able to use a lower config server or less bandwidth because media/content is hosted on Amazon servers.
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May 19, 2009
Is windows hosting more expensive than linux? Since the OS isn't free to start with?
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Jan 21, 2009
Has anyone looked into hosting on Amazon Web Services EC2? It seems to me that a Elastic Compute Cloud node would be a far better solution than a VPS or a dedicated server.
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Feb 1, 2008
we recently launched a site that has a you-tubeish clone to it, none the less the media progressive download bottlenecks the the rest of the sites functions beyond video...
I've been looking into solutions with moving the files elsewhere.
I was looking at Lime Light Networks but they were $1/gig, granted i'm sure their service is great but we're currently moving 3tb and have been going up around 500gb every month. So we really can't afford that.
I just stumbled on Amazon S3 and that looks real attractive, has anybody used their services or know of a site that does that I could test it out.
And the last stupid question, I'm trying to figure out how it works, they make it sound like all you have to do is put a CNAME in your zone, but I need the video clips to be put there as they're uploaded...
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Apr 7, 2008
Timezone on server is set to GMT -5 EDT
My timezone is GMT -5 EDT
Yet filezilla 3.x ftp client connected to my server's pure-ftpd server offsets time on transferred files by an hour, saying now at 8:52 that the file was uploaded to the server at 9:52.
WHM and uptime, etc. at the SSH prompt show server time correct, matching my own time.
But connecting via filezilla 3 I get:
Status: Calculating timezone offset of server...
Command:MDTM .htaccess
Response:213 20080208013750
Status:Timezone offsets: Server: -18000 seconds. Local: -14400 seconds. Difference: 3600 seconds.
Status: Directory listing successful
If I connect locally to pure-ftp via the server shell ftp, I get
Connected to localhost.
220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
220-You are user number 1 of 50 allowed.
220-Local time is now 20:52. Server port: 21.
which matches
$ uptime
20:52:28
The filezilla forums however indicate the problem is due to some "non-standards compliant setup" of my ftp server.
[url]
Quote:
As required in RFC 3659 [url]FileZilla assumed MDTM returns timestamps in UTC. Based on the timestamp return in the LIST reply and the corresponding MDTM reply, it calculates the timezone offset of the server.
Obviously this fails on broken or misconfigured servers.
I can assure you that it works fine on all standards-compliant servers.
Is there something I can tweak with pure-ftpd, or is this a Filezilla 3 bug?
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Aug 17, 2009
I'm not much of a co-location expert as we do not own our own equipment but a customer we help from time to time is asking me about this. They have a cabinet at theplanet and only a pair of redundant 100mbit uplinks coming into their cisco 2924 they rent from theplanet. Theplanet wants $350/mo along with $350 setup for a pair of redundant gigabit uplinks. Then another $225/mo for a Cisco Catalyst 2960G.
Does this at all seem reasonable to anyone? The switch can just be purchased so it's not that big of a deal. The uplink cost cannot be avoided though. If it's not reasonable obviously they can go back to their account manager to discuss it but I don't know what you'd expect to pay in Dallas for that.
Also before anyone suggests any other provider not an option. Last time they looked around theplanet was the only provider in dallas capable of handling the attacks. Others would just null route the IP's rather than trying to mitigate the attacks. So no point in making suggestions as it's been explored in the past.
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Aug 21, 2009
I purchased a dual opteron, 4gb server from Geeks and was thinking of colocation, but the prices are outlandish.
I currently have a dual Xeon 2.4ghz, 4gb ram, 100mbps with 5tb b/w (leased) and it costs me $149/mo.
To colocate my server I get 500gb b/w and it costs me $69 is the lowest I've found. Why would a person colocate instead of just leasing?
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Feb 24, 2008
What is the average going rate for a DS3 (45Mbps) or OC3 (155Mbps) from tier one and two providers? What is the average pricing for transport cost using these two methods?
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Aug 28, 2009
So I needed to reboot one of my colocated machines into a different kernel, compile and load a kernel module (for a network interface) and then bring up that interface. So I called the datacenter support to ask if they could compile and load the module for me and inquire as to about how long that would take. On their website they say they provide Best Effort third party application support and 24/7 Phone Support with on site server admins so this doesn't really seem like a unreasonable request. I want to pay them for support and they're there to do it right?
Apparently not.
The support guy said that compiling and loading the module was dependant on "very many factors". The first "factor" he inquired about was what OS we were running--Debian. "Debian isn't a supported OS, we can't do that for you." What? I'm sorry you CAN'T do it? I thought you provided "Best Effort" support. This seems more like zero effort support to me. (I'm willing to provide step by step instructions but apparently they won't do that because they don't want to.)
Ok, fine, you won't compile and load something for me no big deal that's what KVMs are for.
"Can you hook up a KVM?"
"Sure"
"How much would that cost"
"I don't know, this is the support department not the sales department, you'd have to ask the sales department tomorrow."
Really? So if my server is exploding at night and you wont even try to do anything about it and my only option is to have you setup a KVM you can't tell me how much that will cost? What am I going to tell my boss when we get a rediculous bill for a KVM--the support guy wouldn't tell me how much it costs? Not good enough. Not only that but you're going to be a give me a snarky response to my question--a question I only asked because you wouldn't provide remote hands?
Is it just me or is it pretty rediculous that the support guys can't tell you how much KVM costs? Not all situations where you'd need KVM are planned or happen during the hours the sales department is open. It apparently isn't a problem to have them hook up the KVM 24/7 you just wont know how much it's going to cost you until the next business day. Is this typical of datacenter support?
My guess is that support is completely hit and miss, I've had great experiences with a small datacenter before (Joe's helped out when a hard drive in a RAID failed) and bad experiences with larger datacenters (one you've all heard of, I asked ahead of time if they could ghost a drive and replace it. They said yes. I provided step by step instructions with screenshots they tried it and failed saying "I don't really know linux, I'm a windows guy, I don't know what I'm doing, I messed it up somehow, I don't know what I did" and yet still billed me for it).
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Oct 26, 2009
I'm working for an organisation which is looking for a company who can provide us with a public website to be updated with a CMS and 132 secure areas which should be accessible from that public website.
Today I was sent a proposal by them stating that there would be a cost per year of:
£3,350 for data storage areas of up to 20mb space per secure area (i.e. £25 per secure area)
£6,700 for data storage areas of up to 75mb space per secure area (i.e. £50.70 per secure area)
We really would prefer much more space per area than this (upwards of 2GB per area) and are a bit wary of how much is being charged for the storage space.
I have three questions on this :
1) How do these prices compare with other hosts that you know of? Are they reasonable?
2) Is this 'secure space' much more expensive than normal space?
3) Are there hosts that offer unlimited secure space for reasonable prices?
Btw, these are the facilities that this host provides:
6 redundant Internet connections
24x7x365 onsite support
Fire protection
Backup power generators
Daily back up to magnetic tape media
Anti virus protection for all uploaded content
Industry Standard Cisco firewalls
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Aug 3, 2008
how much R1soft costs?
Is it worth it?
Do you have to keep your backups on one of their servers?
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Aug 11, 2008
Is there any way to figure out what kind of costs it would take to have a site streaming live cam 24hrs a day?
I guess one of the biggest problems would be if someone was to leave their PC on and download 24/7?
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Sep 7, 2007
I've had Jatol as a host and a few years back, they were just about the best deal out there.
Recently, I've come to learn that they will simply let the sites go down.
They host a number of my sites which have been down for a couple of days now, no one can acces. In addition their helpdesk and main site remain down and support fails to even respond to emails. Whois listed phone is disconnected.
I can't even access cpanel to backup log files/copy stats before moving to another host.
I'm getting the impression they won't honor the remaining time on the account (prepaid for (1) year). This possible fraud?
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Aug 9, 2007
I've just had a quote for a VPS that seemed good value for money until the cost of a Direct Admin license was added ($15 extra).
Looking at DA's pricing the cheapest license you can buy is an internal license (in bulk) which is available to server providers only at 9$ a month.
If that is the case why is it that quite a few providers in the offers forum are providing DA for 5$ or 6$?
As these licenses are being offered on low end VPS with tight margins anyway, I can't understand how they can afford to make a loss on the control panel (if they are in fact).
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Jun 28, 2009
How much would it cost roughly to build a data center? I am curious because in the future I may build one
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Apr 29, 2008
I had been a Omnis.com customer for the last 6 years.
Was hosting 8 Domains with them and paying nearly $100 on each domain per year.
Now this issue happened many times before but i ignored it, but not anymore.
One of the accounts - they had capped email limit of 200MB - now we all know that is not much.
One morning i getup and i have no emails - wondering what the issue is , i login to my account and notice that i am 30MB over the limit, now that is not too much, so i think i willjust login and clear some emails and make room.
To my surprise on logging in - i see NO EMAILS whatsoever in any of my email accounts. Now the dilema is what to delete when i see no emails , so my next step is to call customer support.
Thinking that i am in Los Angeles, these guys are in Los Angeles - they would be nice and helpful , to my surprise i have never spoken to more rude and egoistic people in my life.
The support guy has only 1 solution for me - go in to my email control panel and delete the accounts and recreate them to get free disk space - but is that not amazing - he says i cannot see any of my emails because i am over the limit -- he says he cannot upgrade my account even if i pay right away , because i am over the limit - so only solution delete the account - with a sad heart i deleted my wife's account which had 40MB in it and recreated it.
Even then the emails did not show up - so very nicely the support guy says - Sir! give it 4 - 5 hours to refresh and then you will see your emails.
Now tell me my friends is this the kind of host you would ever want to go with ? that also after spending nearly $700 every year for the last 6 years..
Please stay away from them - i am in the process of moving over to innohosting after reading this forums , rameen of innohosting was so helpful - wish all hosts were the same.
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Aug 24, 2008
I have a client with a site (wordpress blog) that gets 10,000 + hits a day. I need to find him a dedicated managed server so that his site runs smoothly and also has no outages. I just received a quote from another host for his Managed Dedicated Servers.
CPU1: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
CPU2: Intel Xeon 5310 Clovertown (Quad Core)
Total CPU Cores: Eight (8)
System RAM: 6144MB (6GB) DDR2 ECC Registered System RAM
Primary Hard Disk: 73GB Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) 15,000 RPM High-Performance Hard Disk
Second Hard Disk: 250GB SATA-II 7,200 RPM Hard Disk (nightly backup disk)
Data Transfer: 2000GB Premium Monthly Bandwidth (100Mbps uplinked port)
Operating System: CentOS Enterprise Linux 5 64-Bit (x86_64)
Control Panel License: cPanel / WHM + Fantastico Auto Installer$695 a month
He posts about 5-10 blogs a day too, so it's definitely a growing community website. He also has a forum with 6500 posts and 389 members.
Is this a reasonable price for a dedicated server? Would you recommend a different configuration of hardware that might make it cheaper? I would also like some examples of other sites on similar configurations if you have any, so that I can show my client what they use.
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Nov 9, 2008
We've been buying our Microsoft licences retail which was fine when we were a lot smaller. But as we grow I was thinking about the joining the Microsoft services provider licence agreement.
Can anyone out there give me an idea if this is a worthwhile route to take for a managed services webhost? If so what are the requirements, we aren't a Microsoft partner, have no Microsoft certifications, etc.
What are the initial costs? What are the long term costs?
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Feb 10, 2007
which data center has lowest rack/power costs, yet has decent reputation, security, and remote hands?
we have expanded to the point where we have backup equipment scattered everywhere and want to consolidate that equipment into a single rack or two.
Network quality is not an issue as it is backup, will only be used if we lose something elsewhere.
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May 19, 2009
actually we are hosting around 130-140 sites on a dedicated server in spain. We are paying 325 € (442 $) per month for the server, 250gb of backup space included, plus 105 € (143 $) per month for admin of the box, that help us to migrate new sites, install scripts, hack attacks, etc.
That includes cpanel, fantastico, q9300 cpu, 4 gb ram, 2x500 gb sata in raid 1, 100 mb port and 16 ip's. I know we can get more for less, but the connectivity in spain is fast for our clients, very reliable, and the phone support of datacenter is fast when we need it.
Apart from that, i have to pay for rvskin, rvsitebuilder and easyantispam.
What i want to know, is there a way i could get a good european host with good network uptime and datacenter support if needed (i.e. ram needs to be changed, kvm doesn't work, etc) and, if possible, good management (although i can continue to pay what i pay).
I was thinking that as our box is underused (176 gb home dir, around 200 gb total, avg load for week 0.97) maybe a managed cluster host could help to cut our costs greatly (at least 30%) maintaining or even improving speed & quality of service? or even grid hosting or vps?
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Apr 21, 2009
Anyone ever use this service? I had an issue with tons of spam being sent to my mail servers from amazon, so I placed an IP ban on the entire Amazon network until the issue was fixed. They replied and said that it was coming from an Amazon EC2 client and that it was handled...made me kind of curious about it.
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Oct 25, 2009
My services/sites approached the state when DS becomes a must. Currently I have a DS with Server Logix (and am quite satisfied with it, to add), but I suppose I'll need another DS in the foreseeable future, to transfer most active sites there.
Amazon EC2 service offers several types of 'elastic' servers. The smallest one, citing the product page::
1.7 GB of memory, 1 EC2 Compute Unit (equals 1.0-1.2 GHz 2007 Opteron or 2007 Xeon processor), 160 GB of instance storage, 32-bit platform
If run for a month, this instance would cost me 72$. Traffic (bandwidth) is paid for separately; I estimate I'd pay approx $20 monthly for traffic consumed.
The question: are there DS plans matching the EC2 Small instance (i.e., 100$ monthly for the server of similar configuration, with 120Gb of traffic included)?
I have tried the EC2 hosting, to test its efficiency and availability. I should decide, whether to switch entirely to cloud providers, or there are traditional DS hosting that could beat EC2 prices and offer good reliability?
All the comments on EC2 experience and DS providers would be very welcome.
I am interested in USA or Europe-based DS hosting providers, if any. I'd need a server in approx 3-4 months.
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Apr 14, 2008
Signed up but never really had chance to play with Amazon's EC2. This looks interesting though - non-persistent storage was one of the major downside's of EC2 -
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Many Amazon EC2 customers have been requesting that we let them know ahead of time about features that are currently under development so that they can better plan for how that functionality might integrate with their applications. To that end, we would like to share some details about a major upcoming feature that many of you have requested - persistent storage for EC2.
This new feature provides reliable, persistent storage volumes, for use with Amazon EC2 instances. These volumes exist independently from any Amazon EC2 instances, and will behave like raw, unformatted hard drives or block devices, which may then be formatted and configured based on the needs of your application. The volumes will be significantly more durable than the local disks within an Amazon EC2 instance. Additionally, our persistent storage feature will enable you to automatically create snapshots of your volumes and back them up to Amazon S3 for even greater reliability.
You will be able to create volumes ranging in size from 1 GB to 1 TB, and will be able to attach multiple volumes to a single instance. Volumes are designed for high throughput, low latency access from Amazon EC2, and can be attached to any running EC2 instance where they will show up as a device inside of the instance. This feature will make it even easier to run everything from relational databases to distributed file systems to Hadoop processing clusters using Amazon EC2.
When persistent storage is launched, Amazon EC2 will be adding several new APIs to support the persistent storage feature. Included will be calls to manage your volume (CreateVolume, DeleteVolume), mount your volume to your instance (AttachVolume, DetachVolume) and save snapshots to Amazon S3 (CreateSnapshot, DeleteSnapshot).
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May 8, 2008
Are the amazon's EC2/S3 solutions a viable alternative to dedicated hosting? The thought of capacity/bandwidth/computing power on demand sounds great in theory. Could it host a basic LAMP setup?
If you've done any research in this area i'd love to hear your thoughts. Are they apples and oranges?
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Feb 29, 2008
I need a very short term solution.....1 - 2 months max
Both boxes ideally would be dual-quad proc minim.
Box 1 not alot of storage needed. Web and DB server running Oracle
Box 1 - storagewise, would be 4 tery requirement.
LOTS of bw inbound and possibly outbound as well.
Has anyone used Amazons EC2 service ?
Inbound & Outbound traffic will be stateside and internaional sources.
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Dec 28, 2008
I have a new comparison shopping site. The challenge I currently have is that I have a dedicated server on Hostgator ($374 per month). But, I am in the middle of changing programmers after initial problems. While we are working through issues, I would like to bring down costs (there is very little traffic on the site right now).
Does a service such as Amazon EC2 make sense? It is not that I am unhappy with Hostgator. I just want to reduce cost while we fix the site (could take several months), and, position the site for easy growth (which is why I am considering Cloud Computing).
Comparison shopping is a large database intensive effort, so I do not think that a simple "shared" service makes sense.
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Aug 4, 2008
I've visited their web site (aws.amazon.com), but it seems kind of vague to me. Is AWS the same as S3? (which one does web hosting?) You can host web sites on Amazon's service, right? Do you get the usual stuff? (mySQL, PHP, etc) Do they offer SFTP? Shell access?
Man, I feel like they need a FAQ or a list of features. How come none of these things are mentioned on their site?
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Feb 3, 2008
I have been reading about Amazon S3's service at [url] and I was wondering if it would be wise to use their service for a file host (like rapidshare..) I may be starting?
How good is their bandwidth and what is their policy on copyrighted material?
Or should I buy my own servers from an unmetered provider, such as alphared?
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Aug 19, 2008
I am launching my site with Amazon EC2, which is a social network (webcams, videos, albums, etc)in PhP, Linux; and I am going to need someone who can do the virtual hands for me, site administration.
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May 6, 2008
I am thinking of running my main MySQL 5 database from Amazon Elastic Cloud Computing (EC2)....
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May 11, 2009
What's the best way to set up an automatic file backup to Amazon's S3 service? I have a Linux cpanel VPS. I have minimal VPS administration knowledge but at least the VPS is managed by a good team
Is there any way to do incremental backups to save on the bandwidth charges?
(a full backup for me would be about 15 gigs each time)
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