Orange Web Hosting - Down

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I signed up with Orangewebhosting.net a couple of months ago and as of today morning - my server is down, there is no support response and the mail I wrote to support@orangewebhosting.net bounced!

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

support@orangewbehosting.net

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: DNS Error: Domain name not found

I was wondering if anyone else has the same issue - is there an issue with them or was this a complete scam and I got taken in? They had / have good cheap dedicated servers for $35 / month which is why i jumped at it but this outage is ridiculous!

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