Decide Between VPS, Dedicated Server Or Cloud
Oct 28, 2009
we are about to launch the public version of our website, and we are having trouble deciding which type of server to start with. We've reading a lot and contacting all providers to get a quote, but we haven't been able to take a decision. Maybe somebody with more experience can help us...
- most of our users are going to be (for the time being) in Spain. We plan to move to other markets in the future, but not before one year.
- we understand that the server location (or it's IP address) is important in terms of SEO, that's why we've been looking into spanish providers or providers that offer spanish IPs. This SEO thing is the main reason we have ignored Amazon ec2, which, on the paper, seems to be a very good option for websites that expect to increase their traffic rapidly.
- we are going to start with very few users, but we expect to be in >5000 users/day very soon. Hopefully, we will keep a steady growth for the next months, but this is something we can't anticipate for sure.
- our website is based on PHP&MySQL. Each user consumes quite a lot of memory, and queries to the database are very frequent and quite heavy in processing. On the local version (iMac - 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 2GB RAM), a typical query from a single user takes around 2 seconds. We still have to do some optimization, but there is not much room for it left...
- our budget is 150-200 Euro/Month, but we would be able to increase it in case we find out it is needed in order to have a decent website.
- we are no experts in Linux sys-admin, but we can do the basic stuff, such as installing, configuring Apache, etc.
Therefore, we need 'something' that is powerfull enough to satisfy our users and that is easily&transparently scalable in case we have a sudden increase of users. From our readings on this forum and others, we understand that VPSs are not powerfull enough for us. On the other hand, dedicated servers are not easy to adapt to an increase in the number of users. Finally, in Spain we have found that Arsys is offering what they call 'cloud server', which looks similar to Amazon's ec2. We haven't been able to find any objective review on this Arsys offering, so we don't know how good it is. Anyone has worked with this system?
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Jul 3, 2008
I noticed some cloud computing service providers, like, amazon, gogrid, etc. are all based on XEN server, is there any provider offers cloud computing on real dedicated server?
another question is, anyone knows the difference between traditional cluster and cloud computing. I did not see big difference based on their own description.
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Oct 4, 2008
I've got a dedicated server through Liquid Web. I can't say enough about how great the reliability and service has been since I switched over to them a number of months ago.
Nevertheless, with the advent of cloud hosting, I'm intrigued by the idea of paying for what I actually use on a server rather than having way more capacity than I need 90% of the day.
I've looked around here and there's a bit of talk about it but it doesn't seem like folks are scrambling into it and it also appears that the offereings are still relatively immature.
I really don't have the time to devote to tweaking, etc or figuring out something really complicated.
I'll stick to my dedicated server if it means tons of extra work or potential downtime or massive frustration but I wanted to get some feedback from the community about whether or not there are some stable cloud hosting options that are emerging that might be worth considering.
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Feb 24, 2009
my CPU load is about 23%. how do i decide to continue with shared hosting or switch to VPS/Dedicated.
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Nov 9, 2009
I've just spent 20-odd minutes on the live chat to someone at SoftLayer to ask if there is any advantage using Cloud Servers over a VPS / Dedicated for a WHM/CPanel system. Unfortunately I didn't receive any answer other than "WHM would work in a Cloud server with certain types of OS only". Strange answer.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
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Jul 21, 2008
I currently rent a dedicated server from HiVelcity, and I'm very unhappy with it (unstable as hell, faulty hardware, etc.)
I am about to launch a new web application running on LAMP (P=PHP, i.e. Symfony)... And I'm expecting some heavy traffic on release day... I already know my current server can't survive being Dugg (been on the homepage several times), and was wondering maybe I should consider the so-called cloud hosting services being offered... Or just go with a new more powerful dedicated server.
What do you guys think would be best for a PHP+MySQL heavy site that is expecting a rush of traffic?
Also, if I choose something like (mt)Grid-Service, or Mosso, do I sacrifice future customizability (e.g. Sphinx, MemCache)? I have to say the ease of use is tempting for a non-linux guy like me, but I don't want to be constrained in the future because of current choices.
Thanks.
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May 10, 2009
is Cloud Windows VPS the same as a Load Balanced Windows VPS?
Basically, looking for redundancy and UK based solutions. Does anyone have any reviews for established companies offering the above?
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Oct 2, 2009
I'm currently running two classified ad sites with a php script and a mysql database. Both just launched, but I expect them to have decent traffic within 1 year.
Here are the two options I'm currently considering:
1. a fully managed dedicated server such as Wiredtree provides. This will roughly cost me between $250 and $350/month.
2. go with Rackspace Cloud. Take advantage of their $100/month and then just pay as you go as traffic increases.
It's a hard decision.
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May 10, 2009
I have been very interested in Mosso for quite some time, though Cloud Sites didn't seem quite right for what I needed with the compute cycles they had. However, their fairly new Cloud Sites looks very interesting, and their sales people at least will have me believe load balancing with several server instances will be superior to my current dedicated server.
Right now I have a server with Liquid Web that costs me $424/mo and 4x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz with 4GB of RAM. The average load on the server is anywhere from 30% at low times to 70-80% at peak times and memory usage is usually 20-50%. On average there are about 1000 mysql queries per second as the site is very ajax-intensive (hence Cloud Sites being way too expensive).
I don't really know the difference and technical side of all of this, I just program and do the business side of things, but I really like what Mosso has and am wondering if I would get a performance boost going with their Cloud Servers (Going with something like 8 server instances at 512mb RAM each @ only around $200/mo including bandwidth). Also, would I want to load balance all 8, or do something like 4 running the mysql and the other 4 serving the actual site?
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Apr 9, 2008
I'm planning on launching a php-based web application within a month or two and am weighing different hosting options. I was almost certain with my plan to use two dedicated servers (one for web, one for db) but I can't help reading about all of these new grid/cloud/utility hosting solutions that promise instant scalability and deployment - which sounds like a blessing. I know there is a lot of garbage and marketing hype so I felt I should ask what the real deal is. Are these services reliable, worth using, really that easy to use, powerful, etc? I was looking at gogrid's demo videos and to instantly launch a few web servers, a db server, load balancer, etc, in 15 minutes for 30% of the cost - I can't ignore it.
So whats the deal?
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Jul 21, 2008
I'm currently split between vpslink, slidehost, wowvps, swvps, tektonic, linode
My requirements are
1) Must be Xen based. No Virtuozzo or OpenVZ.
2) Min 512MB
3) Budget: USD 30-40/mth
4) Unmanaged is fine as long as I have a control panel (Cpanel, Lxadmin are ok)
Tektonic meets all of the above except 1.
Linode, Slidehost meets all of the above except 4.
So i'm left with with vpslink, wowvps or swvps.
Which one should I choose? I'm leaning towards VPSlink.
Is there any other good Xen-based VPS providers that i should be considering?
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Jul 11, 2008
I've been talking to the Planet about trading in my four and a half year old "SuperCeleron" (from the old ServerMatrix days) Celeron 2.4 GHz system for something new. As part of their current promotions, I've configured a system that looks decent:
Xeon 3040, 1 gig of RAM, 2x250GB hard disks, RHEL 5, cPanel+Fantastico, and 10 ips for $162.
Not too bad. I could bump up the ram to 2 gb for, I think, $12 more, which I'm thinking about and wouldn't mind some thoughts on. But, the thing that has me really confused is RAID. I like the idea of doing a RAID 1 setup with those two hard disks. But, the Planet wants $40/month for a RAID controller to do it. I really don't want to go over $200 a month!
Any thoughts on alternative redundancy strategies that might avoid that cost? Software RAID does not seem to be offered by the Planet, unless I can figure out how to do it after installation (is that possible?) Better ideas in general on the server?
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Jul 3, 2008
I am in Europe, and during this week I´ve been doing some speed tests with the files most providers have on their website or they gave me the link here.
I am using a DSL 25Mpbs net connection for the tests.
Here some results from just 3 providers:
FDC (Chicago) - 250k
iWEB (Canada) - 1.2MB
Take2Hosting (San Jose, California) - 1.4MB
My point is, does these speed test file are of any use to have
an idea what speed you can expect with the servers?
The way I see it ,there´s so many variables (shared and how many shared servers for port,
your location, peak hours traffic, etc).
So how does this tests influence you to go for one provide, instead of another?
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Sep 26, 2009
I'd like to back one of our servers up using S3 but I'm not sure the best way to go. Server is using CPanel. Obviously I want to keep costs down.
I need the files to be secure, backups need to be nightly incremental, and I need to be able to restore to another CPanel server fast in case of hardware failure. CPanel supports FTP for backups. I currently back up to another server, but I want to move to the cloud.
Specific questions I have:
1. Any recommendations on a cloud backup service (S3, Rackspace, etc?), and why?
2. Any recommendations on tools? I want this to be simple to set up. As easy as setting up an FTP account.
3. Is there another option I should consider? That server has about 62GB of data on it to be backed up.
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Oct 9, 2009
What's your favorite control panel for installing in a VPS/cloud server?
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Apr 9, 2014
I'm in the process of installing PPA on infrastructure running Parallels Cloud Server. Each container has 2 interfaces, one public facing and a private interface for inter-server communication.
No problems installing PPA 11.5 (specifying IP's on commandline) or adding service nodes however, the firewall rules the documentation speaks of are nowhere to be seen? i.e.:
Important: After the installation, PPA creates the special firewall chain PPA-SN-Rules-INPUT used for communication with service nodes. Do not change it, otherwise, you will not be able to add service nodes to PPA.Click to expand...
Has this been dropped from PPA 11.5 ? (I recall seeing the firewall settings in 11.1) There is also no sign of the ppa.firewall tool that is also mentioned.
The only rule I see inserted is for Postgres on the management node, and 2 for pleskd on all of the nodes (open to world!).
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Apr 11, 2015
We have one Cloud Server hardware node that exists only as the backup location for containers and VMs in Cloud Server/PVA (it hosts no virtual servers). Can it also serve as a Backup Server Node?
A related question, in my case, is whether we can configure a Backup Server Node to use a particular drive/mount/directory, as we can with PVA? I couldn't find any info in the docs about any settings at all for the Backup Server Node.
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Sep 3, 2007
What is the difference between Dedicated Virtual vs Regular Dedicated Server?
Also what are the pros and cons of going with Virtual?
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Sep 16, 2009
Has anyone set up a cloud before? What OS do you use?
I read Ubuntu Server now comes with cloud capabilities and RHEL has had clustering for a long time. How do you data center gurus set up clouds?
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Apr 16, 2009
Surely, if I'm doing this question, I don't need the cloud, but as all the people are talking about it, I think in it.
We host simple websites, with about 10GB/bandwicht/month as much usage. Actually we have 5 low budget dedicated servers instead to have 1 power server with all in, with that we distribute the possibilities of hardware fails.
We don't have any VPS, I personally prefer host in a physical server, we can put the 5 servers in 5 VPS into one big server, but if HD fails, all goes down.
So, now with cloud, I think it's the same that VPS, hardware could fails as always, and the cloud can complicate the resolution of a problem, so my final question, it's cloud for me? anything I'm missing?
Thanks as always for your replies! Anyway, it's nice to have a new technologie in the table to discuss about it!
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Feb 10, 2009
When creating cloud hosting based-on VPS, I assume each VPS added will need to be on different machines? Which one will have better performance in this case
- 1VPS with 2GB RAM, 1GHz CPU
- 2VPS with 1GB RAM and 512MHz CPU each. 2 VPS is setup on the same server. One runs Apache, one runs mySQL.
Of course, using for the same website.
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Jun 16, 2009
What are some good questions to ask about VPS cloud hosting before signing up with them?
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Apr 1, 2008
to move from shared windows hosting to Dedicated windows hosting. This will be our first dedicated server and experience with dealing it too.
Someone suggested me Rackspace. But they were charging premium rates 440 USD for entry level windows server.
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Sep 11, 2009
I am considering a move from Pair Networks to Rackspace. When I talked to the folks at Rackspace, the guy thought I was a good fit for their Cloud Sites product.
I have several Wordpress blogs, the busiest one doing around 15,000 views daily. I also have 3 vBulletin forums, once which is pretty busy and doing around 400,000 views per month. I also run a few member sites, blog powered and using Amember Pro.
I'm wondering if this is just too much to throw on the Cloud. I've heard that disk I/O is a little slower on the Cloud, and vBulletin is pretty intensive on the database.
Another option I heard is to get a dedicated server with Rackspace, host the databases and anything else I want on that server, but put the code base for the busiest sites into the Cloud in order to take advantage of the load balancing.
Any feedback?
Pair Networks has been great, but I started looking around yesterday because they were having a hard time making one of my servers cope right with the busy blog. Server load through the roof and I was frustrated. I have a feeling I'm overpaying Pair for servers which may be a little dated here. Hence, my lookint into Rackspace.
So, feedback on the Cloud or Cloud w/ Dedicated? Any other pretty busy forums/blogs you know of running in Rackspace Cloud Sites?
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Oct 13, 2009
I wanted to share my experience with Rackspace Cloud, till now their support and service are a+, the control panel used to be slow but not it's fixed, the only problem i faced till now was with their control panel file managed but it's not that important as you can use ftp instead, i have cloud sites account with them to host my site Rapid Zone and i strongly recommend them.
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Jan 24, 2009
What do you guys think about Cloud Servers by Rackspace?
They said its kind of like a VPS but more powerful.
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Dec 28, 2008
I have a new comparison shopping site. The challenge I currently have is that I have a dedicated server on Hostgator ($374 per month). But, I am in the middle of changing programmers after initial problems. While we are working through issues, I would like to bring down costs (there is very little traffic on the site right now).
Does a service such as Amazon EC2 make sense? It is not that I am unhappy with Hostgator. I just want to reduce cost while we fix the site (could take several months), and, position the site for easy growth (which is why I am considering Cloud Computing).
Comparison shopping is a large database intensive effort, so I do not think that a simple "shared" service makes sense.
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Apr 1, 2009
Went to go through Precision Effect's site earlier and noticed they're offering "Cloud" hosting?
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