Grid / Utility / Cloud Hosting Worth Pursuing? (vs. Dedicated)
Apr 9, 2008
I'm planning on launching a php-based web application within a month or two and am weighing different hosting options. I was almost certain with my plan to use two dedicated servers (one for web, one for db) but I can't help reading about all of these new grid/cloud/utility hosting solutions that promise instant scalability and deployment - which sounds like a blessing. I know there is a lot of garbage and marketing hype so I felt I should ask what the real deal is. Are these services reliable, worth using, really that easy to use, powerful, etc? I was looking at gogrid's demo videos and to instantly launch a few web servers, a db server, load balancer, etc, in 15 minutes for 30% of the cost - I can't ignore it.
So whats the deal?
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Mar 27, 2009
I was looking at Godaddy's grid servers and it says you can have unlimited concurrent connections:
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With dedicated servers if you wanted to have 2 million concurrent users you would need hundreds of dedicated servers in a cluster, but Godaddy grid hosting can do this for $4.99/month:
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Of course currently give users unlimited compute cycles so if they start charging it could increase the price but godaddy don't charge for ram. Of course if you needed more bandwidth you can buy more.
Sure, Godaddy grid hosting doesn't allow videos on your server(embed's allowed) but you wanted to have a website that was at the top of digg and worldwide media outlets reported it, Godady grid hosting would be great for this.
So i guess if i had to choose between a dedicated server and godaddy grid hosting for a forum, i would choose grid hosting because i can have unlimited users online at the same time and not have to worry about cpu load.
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Jul 21, 2008
I currently rent a dedicated server from HiVelcity, and I'm very unhappy with it (unstable as hell, faulty hardware, etc.)
I am about to launch a new web application running on LAMP (P=PHP, i.e. Symfony)... And I'm expecting some heavy traffic on release day... I already know my current server can't survive being Dugg (been on the homepage several times), and was wondering maybe I should consider the so-called cloud hosting services being offered... Or just go with a new more powerful dedicated server.
What do you guys think would be best for a PHP+MySQL heavy site that is expecting a rush of traffic?
Also, if I choose something like (mt)Grid-Service, or Mosso, do I sacrifice future customizability (e.g. Sphinx, MemCache)? I have to say the ease of use is tempting for a non-linux guy like me, but I don't want to be constrained in the future because of current choices.
Thanks.
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Oct 4, 2008
I've got a dedicated server through Liquid Web. I can't say enough about how great the reliability and service has been since I switched over to them a number of months ago.
Nevertheless, with the advent of cloud hosting, I'm intrigued by the idea of paying for what I actually use on a server rather than having way more capacity than I need 90% of the day.
I've looked around here and there's a bit of talk about it but it doesn't seem like folks are scrambling into it and it also appears that the offereings are still relatively immature.
I really don't have the time to devote to tweaking, etc or figuring out something really complicated.
I'll stick to my dedicated server if it means tons of extra work or potential downtime or massive frustration but I wanted to get some feedback from the community about whether or not there are some stable cloud hosting options that are emerging that might be worth considering.
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Apr 26, 2008
I'm attracted to the luster and flexibility of the grid server world and have spent time with on the phone with ENKIconsulting.net (great people) and Mediatemple (salesy people).
ENKIconsulting.net is out of my price range to start and I have been hearing less than nice things about Mediatemple.
---Situation---
I am launching a site running wordpress blog, php bullentin board, customer service support suite, and amember membership script.
My goal is to have room to grow (very quickly) but start off small/cheap with no/minimal downtime or switching costs involved in migration to a dedicated.
My actual "hard numbers" are unknown... visitors, bandwidth, and page KB size, but what is known is that the marketing behind the launch could draw 1000 visitors to the within a day and up to 10,000 and want to be ready.
My budget is pretty small, and need to stay under 100 a month (during the alpha and beta of the site) but once live money will be much less of an issue.
I'm not a webmaster or server admin, and need excellent customer service from the hosting company (telephone and email) and I'm comfortable to used the fun and easy GUI of cpanel to run the show.
---With the above said---
(1) Is there a grid solution out there that is recommended?
(2) If not, what specifications CPU/RAM/HDD fit my needs
(3) Dedicated? Semi-Dedicated?
(4) Are their hosting companies that allow some degree of scale (RAM/CPU/HDD)within a shared semi dedicated environment?
(5) If not and my resource need jump, how difficult is it to provision and migrate an the entire site to a dedicated box?
Basically I am looking for a strong recommendation for hosting that has a platform that allows quick and easy scalability, excellent customer service, reasonable prices (not cheapest), and a friendly web-admin backoffice.
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Jan 12, 2009
how's media temple these days?
In particular the grid service.
Does their service stay up? How often is it down? I heard a lot of horror stories back in the day, and went with another provider.
Sadly, my current provider has had a string of downtime each day and I'm looking to switch.
Before I go with another provider, i want to make sure that MT's grid service is good.
And how it would compare with their dedicated virtual service.
Especially when you consider their dedicated virtual service compared to the gs with a mysql container.
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Mar 24, 2007
I recently heard of a new term i.e. Grid Hosting?
Can anybody explain what exactly it is?
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Apr 3, 2008
In our company we want to start working with grid hosting, but where to start? What is the best software solution?
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Jan 6, 2007
if anyone is/has used the new grid hosting system from MediaTemple? It seems like a breakthrough to me. Kind of like Amazon's S3 service which we are using for a new super cool 3D Internet technology vastpark.com (Shameless self promotion).
But back to MT. It's $20 p.m. and gives you 100Gb and claims to be fast, so I'm going to give it a go soon, but wanted to know if others had and what they thought. It seems to be missing a backup process. You can buy backup as extra but I think it's still up to you to script the backups and damn it, I'm lazy!
By the way, I'll want to host Joomla sites and SugarCRM sites (both are fairly greedy and I normally run them on a dedicated machine with 2 gb of ram). I reckon it could be a nice way of offering cheaper hosting to some of my clients.
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Oct 18, 2008
I currently own a reasonably sized VPS paying around 40/$80 a month for it. I am extremely happy with the service but I have recently move from freelance to being hired by a company.
I wish to scale down my costs so looking at other options.
I hear a lot (mostly good) of things about MT and was wondering what peoples experiences are - particular with ease of use, support and uptime.
I would also like to know about how the normal shared hosting option works for people hosting some clients website and email. I currently have around 10 clients hosting with me and 100 emails. Is it easy for clients to use and i assume pop and imap are supported.
I currently run my VPS on cpanel. would it be easy to transfer everything or is it very much of a manual job?
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Nov 9, 2009
I've just spent 20-odd minutes on the live chat to someone at SoftLayer to ask if there is any advantage using Cloud Servers over a VPS / Dedicated for a WHM/CPanel system. Unfortunately I didn't receive any answer other than "WHM would work in a Cloud server with certain types of OS only". Strange answer.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
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Jun 9, 2009
I am a PHP/MySQL web developer and I want to take on the challenge of administering my own server.
I have Plesk installed on the server, and I imagine I will have command line access to the dedicated server.
What unknown challenges lie ahead for me? What are things to monitor to keep the site running efficiently? What should I be using to connect to the server? What tools are available to help me be more efficient?
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May 10, 2009
is Cloud Windows VPS the same as a Load Balanced Windows VPS?
Basically, looking for redundancy and UK based solutions. Does anyone have any reviews for established companies offering the above?
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Oct 28, 2009
we are about to launch the public version of our website, and we are having trouble deciding which type of server to start with. We've reading a lot and contacting all providers to get a quote, but we haven't been able to take a decision. Maybe somebody with more experience can help us...
- most of our users are going to be (for the time being) in Spain. We plan to move to other markets in the future, but not before one year.
- we understand that the server location (or it's IP address) is important in terms of SEO, that's why we've been looking into spanish providers or providers that offer spanish IPs. This SEO thing is the main reason we have ignored Amazon ec2, which, on the paper, seems to be a very good option for websites that expect to increase their traffic rapidly.
- we are going to start with very few users, but we expect to be in >5000 users/day very soon. Hopefully, we will keep a steady growth for the next months, but this is something we can't anticipate for sure.
- our website is based on PHP&MySQL. Each user consumes quite a lot of memory, and queries to the database are very frequent and quite heavy in processing. On the local version (iMac - 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 2GB RAM), a typical query from a single user takes around 2 seconds. We still have to do some optimization, but there is not much room for it left...
- our budget is 150-200 Euro/Month, but we would be able to increase it in case we find out it is needed in order to have a decent website.
- we are no experts in Linux sys-admin, but we can do the basic stuff, such as installing, configuring Apache, etc.
Therefore, we need 'something' that is powerfull enough to satisfy our users and that is easily&transparently scalable in case we have a sudden increase of users. From our readings on this forum and others, we understand that VPSs are not powerfull enough for us. On the other hand, dedicated servers are not easy to adapt to an increase in the number of users. Finally, in Spain we have found that Arsys is offering what they call 'cloud server', which looks similar to Amazon's ec2. We haven't been able to find any objective review on this Arsys offering, so we don't know how good it is. Anyone has worked with this system?
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Oct 2, 2009
I'm currently running two classified ad sites with a php script and a mysql database. Both just launched, but I expect them to have decent traffic within 1 year.
Here are the two options I'm currently considering:
1. a fully managed dedicated server such as Wiredtree provides. This will roughly cost me between $250 and $350/month.
2. go with Rackspace Cloud. Take advantage of their $100/month and then just pay as you go as traffic increases.
It's a hard decision.
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Jul 3, 2008
I noticed some cloud computing service providers, like, amazon, gogrid, etc. are all based on XEN server, is there any provider offers cloud computing on real dedicated server?
another question is, anyone knows the difference between traditional cluster and cloud computing. I did not see big difference based on their own description.
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May 10, 2009
I have been very interested in Mosso for quite some time, though Cloud Sites didn't seem quite right for what I needed with the compute cycles they had. However, their fairly new Cloud Sites looks very interesting, and their sales people at least will have me believe load balancing with several server instances will be superior to my current dedicated server.
Right now I have a server with Liquid Web that costs me $424/mo and 4x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz with 4GB of RAM. The average load on the server is anywhere from 30% at low times to 70-80% at peak times and memory usage is usually 20-50%. On average there are about 1000 mysql queries per second as the site is very ajax-intensive (hence Cloud Sites being way too expensive).
I don't really know the difference and technical side of all of this, I just program and do the business side of things, but I really like what Mosso has and am wondering if I would get a performance boost going with their Cloud Servers (Going with something like 8 server instances at 512mb RAM each @ only around $200/mo including bandwidth). Also, would I want to load balance all 8, or do something like 4 running the mysql and the other 4 serving the actual site?
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Jul 12, 2008
So far I really haven't found any free hosting options that I would personally use for any of my websites. Are there any "full-featured" free hosting options that a lot of people don't know about?
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Sep 17, 2008
What are the most important things to look for in a hosting company?
Cost?
Network Speed?
Uptime?
Quality hardware?
Quality Support?
Fast Support?
Redundancy?
Most people would say all of above right? Well, if you had to stack each of the above in order of importance, where would you put cost at? Is it at the top for you or at the bottom? If I had to rate each of them it would look something like this:
Uptime
Network Speed and reliability
Redundancy of power, bandwidth, cooling
Reputable Tier 1 carriers of bandwidth
Quality Support
Fast Support
Quality hardware
Cost
The problem is that I see many people on WHT acting like Cost if the #1 factor in determining a host. And when you let cost be your #1 determining factor, you will be usually sacrificing on some or all of the other factors that you should be looking at. The higher up the list you put cost in deciding where to host, the more you will sacrifice quality in these other important areas.
"But", you say, "I see many quality companies offering cheap pricing. Shouldn't I choose to go with them?" Consider this, hosting companies like any other business need to be able to make a profit. Sale prices are great but there are reasons for sale prices and you need to consider these reasons when choosing to buy a cheap server. Some common reasons for selling servers for extremely cheap are;
- The hardware is used and old and the hosting company is just looking get something for it. ANYTHING!
- They have an excess of inventory for one reason or another that they need to get rid of.
- They buy their servers used on Ebay and can therefore afford to sell them cheap.
- The cheap server is merely a loss leader used to bring business in order to sell other products and services at full price but is not a regular price that you can expect from this company.
- The company is new and is looking to attract prospective clients on price alone and is dropping the price just to get their client base increased quickly.
There are companies selling servers on WHT who fall into each of these categories so you need to think about this when you make a decision for who to go with. The common denominator with the above list is simple... It is Unsustainable! Not one of the reasons listed above can be sustained for a long period of time.
If you can get a good deal on a server with a solid company, and there are many on WHT that are great companies who have great deals on servers at times, then that is wonderful. But do not expect that you will be able to get insanely cheap pricing on a regular basis from this company and don't be surprised when you want another server if the price is significantly higher. Every hosting company has certain costs that are unavoidable:
- Rent
- Power
- Bandwidth
- Payroll
- Employee Benefits
- Server Hardware Costs
- Software Licensing
- Marketing and Advertising
- Maintenance Contracts
- Network Equipment
- Infrastructure Replacement (a/c's, generators, UPS units, etc.)
- Other Utilities
The point in bringing all of this up is that if you plan on finding a hosting company that you can stay with for the long haul, you need to look at their regular pricing for retail servers and for reselling servers. Cheap prices are great, but no business can stay in business if they only offer cheap pricing. And if a hosting company is only attracting you by their cheap pricing, then it shows that they are most likely weak when it comes to the other essential factors mentioned above that need to be considered. Any hosting company selling servers for under $80 per month for instance is loosing money in some way. Eventually, the price will be raised to cover those costs (like at LT this year) and then you are left to make up that difference.
As with most things in life, good quality cannot be sold cheap, and that which is cheap is usually not good quality.
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Mar 28, 2007
I'm just about to buy my first commercial hosting package. I'm leaning towards 1 and 1 hosting, but I don't know whether to go for the US or UK version.
The US version:
costs $2.99 a month
with 10GB storage and 300GB transfer
The UK version:
costs £4.49 a month (about $8)
with 1.5 GB storage and 20GB transfer
Are there many big / important advantages to going with a local host, and is it worth the extra cost?
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Jun 16, 2009
What are some good questions to ask about VPS cloud hosting before signing up with them?
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Apr 1, 2009
Went to go through Precision Effect's site earlier and noticed they're offering "Cloud" hosting?
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Feb 11, 2009
Cloud hosting is still a 'blackbox' to me ... hope anyone can answer me. I have 5 questions to start the discussion with.
What is cloud hosting?
Is it cheaper than (shared/dedicated/semi-dedicated) server hosting?
Is it secure?
How many SSL license I need to purchase if I host my website (one website) in cloud?
Which cloud hosting you recommend and why?
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Sep 30, 2009
I need another server upgrade, hosting package upgrade.
I'm looking into cloud hosting because of the scalability.
What's the best
#1 Reliable
#2 Great Support
#3 Affordable
cloud hosting company.
Rackspace seems to be great on #1 and #2 i guess but #3 they are a bit more expensive. I know someone is going to say "you get what you pay for", but thats why i put Affordable at #3.
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Aug 24, 2009
What do you guys think of Cloud Hosting, and how this could affect current web hosting trend?
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Oct 7, 2009
Anyone knows the meaning of cloud web hosting?
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Aug 28, 2009
who here has experience? Is it phenomenal or awful?
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Dec 30, 2008
hosting company that will allow me to expand as much as I like in terms of RAM, Storage and Bandwidth without having to move from a dedicated server to another dedicated server each time.
I guess the answer is something like Amazons Web Services (AWS). However, I haven't heard great things about them, but I wanted to know what everyone thought of them and any other similar cloud services that is more affordable and reliable.
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Apr 7, 2009
I use shared web hosting service to get my website online. I'm wondering how many people use dedicated servers or virtual private servers instead and pay from $20 to several hundreds of dollars? Will I face any big problem with shared web hosting package which makes me choose dedicated servers?
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Oct 30, 2007
Is there any utility from which we can migrate Older mysql dbs into a Latest version?
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Aug 15, 2008
I have used e2fsck on linux server hard disk (CentOS 5.0) and the result :
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Warning! /dev/sda2 is mounted.
Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check.
/dev/sda2 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Deleted inode 19137773 has zero dtime. Fix? no
Pass 2: Checking directory structure
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
Pass 5: Checking group summary information
Block bitmap differences: -(16332803--16332804) -(16332823--16332826) +(16345421--16345424) +16347209
Fix? no
Free blocks count wrong for group #498 (25950, counted=25949).
Fix? no
Free blocks count wrong (37023218, counted=37023216).
Fix? no
Inode bitmap differences: -19137773
Fix? no
Free inodes count wrong (19162546, counted=19162545).
Fix? no
/dev/sda2: ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors **********
/dev/sda2: 137806/19300352 files (2.3% non-contiguous), 1556879/38580097 blocks
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I don't know the exact meaning of the displayed result , does it mean bad sectors? How much the e2fsck is reliable? Is there any better Linux utility to check bad sectors on Western Digital HDD?
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