HP ProLiant DL380 G5 Vs Dell Poweredge 2950 III
Jul 1, 2008
Right im about to invest in some new equipment for the business and am looking at one of the 2 above servers. Does anyone have any experience with both or either?
The spec of the machine to start is as follows:
HP Proliant DL380 G5
Intel Quad-Core Xeon 2.5Ghz
4GB Ram
3x 146GB SAS Hotswap RAID5 (OS)
5x 146GB SAS Hotswap RAID5 (Storage)
Dell Poweredge 2950 III
Intel Quad-Core Xeon 2.5Ghz
4GB Ram
3x 146GB SAS RAID5 (OS)
5x 146GB SAS RAID5 (Storage)
Both are near identical specs and the price of the HP is slightly more, is it worth it?
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Jun 12, 2009
I've just received an off-lease DL380 (G3) machine. It's up and running in CentOS 5.3 now, and seems to work great... But I'm wondering what people using these machines recommend for updates / firmware / monitoring. I'm mostly a "whitebox" guy with limited experience with Dell's OpenManage, but his HP stuff is all foreign to me.
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May 25, 2009
I've been running a Proliant DL380 G2 for awhile now, and today Ive run into a new problem. But first...
* When I setup and installed Windows 2000 on the server, I had installed a sound card in it as well.
* I then installed all the necessary software to run the server, and one of the drivers that were installed throttled down the fans.
Everything has worked flawlessly for 24/7 for 9 months up until today. Today I uninstalled the sound card drivers from device manager, then shutdown the server and removed the sound card. I then powered up the server, and now all the fans are running full blast and no longer throttling. If anyone hasn't been around a proliant, imagine 6 hair dryers running.
Right now, I cant hear anything else that's going on around me and if anyone has any experience with proliants I'm very open to suggestions on getting these fans back down to a tolerable level.
The only errors I'm getting in event viewer are the usual DCOM errors. Event ID 10005
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Aug 16, 2007
There is a big difference in price between these two servers. I suspect the 1950 might be overkill.
My 15 websites are presently on a dedicated Celeron win 2003 server. Would the SC1435 make much difference in speed and tasking?
I presently am using an MS SQL DB hosted on a shared server. Is there any problem in putting the SQL DB on the same server as the sites are on? Is this a good or bad idea? Should the DB go on its own separate disk if on same server?
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Jul 9, 2008
I'm thinking about purchasing a Dell PowerEdge 860 and use it as a web server. I need your guy's inputs on what you guys think of this server regarding the quality, performance, & price.
This server retails for about $420 + s/h.
Here are the specs:
PowerEdge 860 Intel® Celeron® Processor 430 at 1.8GHz, 512K Cache, 800MHz FSB
Operating System No Operating System
Memory 512MB DDR2, 667MHz, 1X512MB Single Ranked DIMMs
Riser Card Riser with 2 Slots: 1 PCI Express x8 slot and 1 PCI Express x4 slot
Primary Hard Drive 80GB 7.2K RPM Serial ATA 3Gbps 3.5-in Cabled Hard Drive
Primary Hard Drive Controller Onboard SATA Controller - No RAID
Network Adapter On-Board Dual Gigabit Network Adapter, No TOE
CD/DVD Drive No CD/DVD
Bezel Bezel
Documentation Electronic Documentation and OpenManage DVD Kit
Hard Drive Configuration Onboard SATA, 1 Drive connected to Onboard SATA Controller - No RAID
Rack Rail Options No Rails Included
Hardware Support Services 3Yr BASIC SUPPORT: 5x10 HW-Only, 5x10 NBD Onsite
Installation Support Services No Installation Assessment
Power Cords Power Cord, NEMA 5-15P to C13, 15 amp, wall plug, 10 feet / 3 meter
I know this is a newbie question but with the specs above on the server, will this server be working right out of the box (equipped with PSU & other neccessary equips.) and ready for installtion of linux servers?
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Jan 6, 2007
i notice the Dell do not configure the on board SATA to any RAID unless you purchase add on RAID adapter.
does this mean you can't configure it yourself? do dell poweredge onboard SATA controller support any RAID at all? do dell allow you to configure it yourself or you must purchase the add on RAID adapter?
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May 9, 2008
what is the difference in the PE 1950 III vs the original 1950? We're trying to get a couple in house but 1st must get a better price than $2,475 for the following specs below.
If anyone has a good sales rep at Dell (ours no longer works there), please send it via PM.
Dell PowerEdge 1950 III Specs:
2xQuad Core Xeon E5410 2.33 GHz Processors
4x1GB Ram
PERC6i RAID Controller
2x500GB 7.2k SATA 3Gbps HDs
CD-Rom/DVD
3yrs Support (5x10 HW, 5x10 NBD)
Price: $2,475.00
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Aug 10, 2009
I have a Dell Poweredge 2650
Specs:
Dual Xeon 2.4 GHz 400 MHz FSB
ServerWorks GC-LE Chipset supports five PCI buses: three PCI-X (1 x 64bit/133MHz,
2 x 64bit/100MHz), one 64bit/66MHz, one legacy bus (32bit/33MHz)
12 GB DDR PC 2700 ECC Registered
(X5) Maxtor Atlas 15k II 3.5 series Ultra320 SCA II 80 pin in RAID 5
PERC 3/DI RAID controller with 128MB or Cache with back-up battery
(X2) integrated Broadcom Gigabit BaseT with load balancing and failover support
INTEL PRO/1000 MF GIGABIT SERVER ADAPTER C2126 FIBER
J1679 DELL INTEL PRO1000MT DUAL CARD PCI-X
Dual 500 watt power-supplies
I have a few questions.
1) How many websites could a server like this handle on a 100 Mbps synchronous line?
2) Are there any colocation companies that would hook up to the fiber card for connection?
3) What is the best choice of action when dropping line to in in a colocation center? The dual on-board or the Dual Intel Pro/1000MT? I know that there is load balancing on the on-board Broadcom NICs but how do you use them for load balancing mode?? Then are seen as two separate NICs. I can drop as many lines as needed in the data center I am planing going into so number of lines is not an issue. let me know the best action on connectivity for my server with my specs provided.
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May 6, 2008
We have a rack with a bunch of Dell servers in them. The distance between the front vertical mounting brackets and the rear vertical mounting brackets is just over 28 inches (715 mm). We've always used Dell static rails they and they have always fitted perfectly.
We have recently received some new Poweredge 2970s with Rapid / Versa rails, and it seems that the front and rear mounting brackets are only 24 inches (609 mm) apart.
Am I missing something? I can't find any way of adjusting the length of the Rapid / Versa rails.
It looks like we are going to have to pull all the gear out of the rack, move the rear mounting brackets forward, and put everything back in. This is a real nuisance (and I would do pretty much anything to avoid it).
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Feb 15, 2007
I am putting some servers into a data center in downtown la for a hosting business. I want to put a firewall between the internet and these servers so I recently purchased an older poweredge 1550 to put the ipcop distro of linux on with the intention of making it a highly customizable firewall. The only problem is that it comes with the scsi drives and it's on a raid 5 array so the stock ipcop installer will not recognize the logical drive. Would anyone happen to know if any of the drivers on the dell site will work with the ipcop distro of linux?
Assuming this doesn't end up working out, does anyone have any suggestions for a different firewall solution to use for a hosting company?
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Oct 9, 2009
I have been looking at DELL PowerEdge R200/R210/R410. I am trying to figure out which is best bang for the buck. They all have similar pricing. Which one has best performance?
PE R200
CPU: X3360
Ram: 4 x 2GB
PE 210
CPU X3450
Ram: 4 x 2GB
PE R410
CPU: E5504 (Single CPU)
Ram: 3 x 2GB
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Sep 2, 2009
I have a Dell 2850 with 6 HD's:
2x36 GB in a RAID 1 with LD 0 of 36GB (the HD's changed to 1x72 & 1x144 and is working fine)
3x72 GB in a RAID 5 with LD 1 of 144GB
1x72 GB as a HotSpare
The 'problem/chalange' is as follows:
The LD 0 RAID 1 is getting too small (2x36GB seen as 36) for my Windows 2008 server C drive. So I changed one 36 GB disk for a 72GB and after a couple of days the other 36 GB to a 144 GB disk (because I had those two and not 2x72 GB or 2x144 GB). Everything is working fine in this RAID 1. But now I want to enlarge/expand de Logical Drive (LD no. 0) from 36 GB to 72 GB.
I only managed to make an extra (third) Logical Drive (LD no. 2 of 36 GB).
Now I do not know how to delete this extra LD 2 on RAID 1 AND how to expand the RAID 1 LD 0 into a LD of 72 GB.
The problem is that I do not know which option to choose in the RAID controller panel (ctrl+m during the bootup progres screen).
Who knows which buttons to press or a Windows based program to configure the RAID?
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Jul 24, 2008
Is there any way to use SATA harddrives instead of SCSI harddrives with a Dell Poweredge 2650? I purchased the Dell on the cheap. It came with one 36GB SCSI drive. Four more hotswap slots. No sleds/caddies/trays for additional drives, so I need those as well.
Looking at the market (eBay mainly) for used SCSI harddrives, it's pretty pricey to get drives of a decent size (73gb+, $50+ each). I would like to use SATA drives instead (get them brand new vs. used SCSI). Problem is this server does not have an embedded SATA controller, just the SCSI Perc3/DI controller. So maybe get a 3ware 8000 series SATA controller + sata drives + trays? Is that possible? There are no molex connectors inside the server. Power to the harddrives comes from the SCSI backplane.
The server will be just for my personal stuff (personal web site, DNS, etc), nothing mission critical. Just trying to save a few bucks buying cheap large capacity SATA drives vs. used smaller capacity SCSI drives.
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Jul 22, 2008
For my business i just got 3 new Dell PowerEdge 1750 Rack Servers with windows 2003 installed on them. With 100Mbit speeds should i be able to host numerous game servers and voip servers?
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Oct 17, 2007
Will a Perc 5 raid card work in a non-dell Linux server? These cards can be found for about $100 on eBay, and are much cheaper than the Adaptec cards with similar features and ports.
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Aug 21, 2007
PowerEdge SC1435 Dual Core AMD Opteron® 2212; 2.0GHz,2X1MB Cache,1Ghz HyperTransport 143G20 [222-6400] 1
Operating System No Operating System NOOS [420-6320] 11
2nd Processor Single Processor Only 1P [311-3928] 2
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 2GB, 667MHz, 4x512MB Single Ranked DIMMs 2G4D6P [466-7879] 3
TCP/IP Offload Engine Enablement Broadcom® Dual Port TCP/IP Offload Engine Not Enabled NTOEKEY [430-1765] 6
PCI Riser Riser with 1 PCIe Slot PCIE [320-4982] 7
1st Hard Drive 80GB 7.2K RPM Serial ATA 3Gbps 3.5-in Cabled Hard Drive 80S2 [341-3801] 8
Primary Controller Onboard SATA Controller - No RAID OBSATA [430-1949] 9
Network Adapters On-Board Dual Port Gigabit Network Adapter, No TOE OBNIC [430-2008] 13
CD/DVD Drive No CD/DVD NOCDDVD [313-3924] 16
Bezel Bezel FRTBZL [313-4477] 17
System Documentation No Hard Copy Documentation, E-Docs ONLY and OpenManage CD Kit EDOCS [310-8261] 21
HD Configuration Onboard SATA, 1 Drive connected to Onboard SATA Controller - NO RAID MST1 [341-3957] 27
Chassis Configuration No Rack Rails Included NORAIL [341-3089] 28
Hardware Support Services 1Yr BASIC SUPPORT: 5x10 HW-Only, 5x10 NBD Onsite U1OS [980-9530][985-5117][985-9057] 29
Installation Support Services No Installation Assessment NOINSTL [900-9997] 32
Power Cords Power Cord, NEMA 5-15P to C14, 15 amp, wall plug, 10 feet / 3 meter WAL10FT [310-4450] 38
why do Dell's none dell rack rail cost $249? Can i buy the rail for dell from ebay? i saw a dell rail cost only $140 on ebay.
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Sep 10, 2008
I'm just wondering what kind of network throughput a DL380 would give assuming 100% RAM hit rate? This is just for video hosting. Is about 1 Gb/s (bits/sec) a reasonable estimate?
I assume with lower hit rates this would degrade dramatically to the HDD read speed.
I understand these are strange questions but they are just for some research I am doing (I have no intention of building anything).
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May 12, 2008
I'm trying to learn about network. I bought Cisco 2950 for testing. I set it up and finding out the way to cap its ports at 20Mbps or 50Mbps. Do you know what command or how to do this?
Also what command to check the port speed or to uncap the port?
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May 19, 2008
I'm trying to learn setting up MRTG for my Cisco 2950. Can you please give me some guide or instruction? My server runs CentOS and cPanel.
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May 12, 2008
Is there much advantage to going with the 2960 series switches vs. the 2950 series? Basically I'm looking at 24 port and 48 port switches (10/100) with GBIT (copper) uplinks.
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Apr 13, 2008
I have many years of experience with Intel (SR1325, SR2200, SR2300, etc) and HP ProLiant DL servers, and have come to love HP. Their ILO2 remote management/power/KVM/VirtualMedia feature is hands-down the best I've used, and for me it's been 100% rock-solid reliable (unlike the horror stories heard about Dell DRAC cards flaking out and locking up when you need them most).
Now there's something shiny catching my eye-- the Supermicro 1U Twin systems.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/1UTwin.cfm?pg=1
Given my long positive history with HP, I'm reluctant to consider another brand, but it is hard to ignore double-density servers with colo prices (rackspace costs, not just power costs) spiraling upward.
I would love to hear from folks who have used both HP and Supermicro boxes in production. Specifically, about reliablity of the Supermicro platform in general AND about the reliability of their IPMI management modules even under Murphy's Law situations. The last thing I need is not to be able to remote-console or power cycle an unresponsive server because the IPMI card is flaky.
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Mar 11, 2008
I get HP servers one at a time either directly from HP or CDW. Right now I need to order a few servers with the same config in bulk and I am looking for any HP proliant resellers who can give a good deal for bulk orders.
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Sep 11, 2008
I have an HP ProLiant ML110 G5 - Dual-Core Xeon 3065 2.33 GHz which has 1GB DDR2 SDRAM – ECC 800 MHz PC2-6400 DIMM 240-pin Unbuffered RAM. (KINGSTON KTH-XW4400E/1G )
I have read that the HP ProLiant ML115 G5 AMD Dual-Core Opteron 1214 / 2.2 GHz, which has 512MB of the same ECC RAM installed will happily run non-ECC RAM along side the ECC RAM.
Does anyone know if the HP ProLiant ML110 G5 - Dual-Core Xeon 3065 2.33 GHz will run non-ECC RAM aswell, along side the ECC RAM?
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Jun 6, 2006
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Nov 26, 2007
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May 29, 2007
We have a HP Proliant DL 360 Server, it was running with 2gb RAM, this consisted of 4 x 512mb sticks. We upgraded by adding another 4gb, this was 2 x 2gb sticks, so we removed 2 of the 512mb sticks and replaced with 2 x 2gb stickes, effectively giving us 5gb of RAM. When I rebooted the machine at the server centre it immediately displayed 5 gb of RAM as it run thru boot up, it then displayed a screen saying it had found the RAM (it looked like a BIOS type, although I'm no expert) I think if my memory serves me right it then confirmed the memory was OK and continued booting into Windows 2003. However when we viewed the maching remotely it is only showing 4gb of RAM. Does anyone have any idea why this might be? where would are missing RAM be? I guess its the 2 x 512 not displaying. Its awkward to access the server easily, it means making an appointment etc, I wondered if there is anything we can do remotely to configure the RAM.
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Jun 11, 2008
I'm after a hosting solution for 2 servers (RHEL4) with load balancing.
Ideally, I'd like HP ProLiant servers.
I've found that RackSpace can do that - are they any good?
Do you know about someone else that can help here (NTT/Verio have the server HW, but their LB does not support RTSP which is critical for me).
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Sep 14, 2009
I have a couple of Dell 1950s and in one of them, I have 2x Seagate 15K.5s that I purchased through Dell and I also have a spare sitting in my rack in case one goes bad, also from Dell.
I was going to be repurposing one of my other 1950s and was going to get two more 15K.5s for it, but wasn't planning on getting them through Dell (rip off?). This way, could still keep the same spare drive around in case a drive went bad in that system as well.
When I was talking to my Dell rep recently when purchasing another system, their hardware tech said you can't use non-Dell drives with Dell drives in the same RAID array because of the different firmware between them.
Anyone know if it is true? Anyone have any experience with using drives from Dell in conjunction with the same model drives from a third party retailer?
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Sep 23, 2008
Long story short, my father owns a commercial/industrial distribution company where I work as a broker between contractors and manufacturers.
Our current IT Department (who has no formal computer training) has become more useless to me over the past year and are turning my computer into a counterproductive experience which has about driven me off the deep end.
I am therefore deciding to do the unthinkable and break off of the companies server and start working through one of my own here at home.
Ill basically need the machine to act as a place that recieves and stores emails then distributes out to my machines (laptop, desktop)whatever is connected to it, store and access job files/information, and I would like to be able to hook up to my server at work to access a particular program they use on their server, i guess I could probably just install the program on my server too.
I would also like it for personal use and storage as well as possibly hosting my own website (personal website).
I am looking to get a Dell Poweredge 1950 with some solid specs (spend about 4500) to get me going and will be taking classes at the local CC to educate me on running this thing.
I have a few questions about servers in general.
1. Is it possible for me to connect to the current server at my company to exchange or access files/ programs?
2. Can I do this without compromising the security of the server at work? (security is their #1 argument against everything, they told me once that mozilla on my machine compromised the security of the system - BS)
3. Can I run Apples for my workstation and laptop and still interface with the VMware software?
4. I am currently on FIOS here at home, will I need a new dedicated internet line to run the server? what do I need for speed!??
Thanks guys!
I am still totally new to this whole server scene so I apologize if some of my questions are completely insignificant. I am trying to read around as much as possible but I want to get started on this so i thought i would try and get some direction.
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Jul 23, 2008
Who has linux on a dell poweredge 2650. i have debian on mine right now but havent been able to get the raid and embedded management and MIB's support working with linux
considering switching to redhat so i can use the packaged software from dell.
any one have any advise or experience getting the embedded hardware working with debian? if so how did you do it.
i want to be able to monitor the raid and the drives for defunt drives and such, and also be able to get into the embedded management card, and to be able to use mrtg with the MIB's for fan speed, cpu temp etc etc
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Jan 3, 2007
Just picked up some used Dell PE 1750's, and was planning to add Drac's in them, but I can't seem to find which drac to use. Anyone that has any experience with this model?
Talked with a salesperson at Dell, first he didn't seem to know what Drac was, and after a while he came back to me with Drac IV which fits into PE1850. He belived it also should fit into 1750, but I don't belive that.
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