Dell Drives In A RAID Array With Non-Dell Drives
Sep 14, 2009
I have a couple of Dell 1950s and in one of them, I have 2x Seagate 15K.5s that I purchased through Dell and I also have a spare sitting in my rack in case one goes bad, also from Dell.
I was going to be repurposing one of my other 1950s and was going to get two more 15K.5s for it, but wasn't planning on getting them through Dell (rip off?). This way, could still keep the same spare drive around in case a drive went bad in that system as well.
When I was talking to my Dell rep recently when purchasing another system, their hardware tech said you can't use non-Dell drives with Dell drives in the same RAID array because of the different firmware between them.
Anyone know if it is true? Anyone have any experience with using drives from Dell in conjunction with the same model drives from a third party retailer?
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Jul 24, 2008
Is there any way to use SATA harddrives instead of SCSI harddrives with a Dell Poweredge 2650? I purchased the Dell on the cheap. It came with one 36GB SCSI drive. Four more hotswap slots. No sleds/caddies/trays for additional drives, so I need those as well.
Looking at the market (eBay mainly) for used SCSI harddrives, it's pretty pricey to get drives of a decent size (73gb+, $50+ each). I would like to use SATA drives instead (get them brand new vs. used SCSI). Problem is this server does not have an embedded SATA controller, just the SCSI Perc3/DI controller. So maybe get a 3ware 8000 series SATA controller + sata drives + trays? Is that possible? There are no molex connectors inside the server. Power to the harddrives comes from the SCSI backplane.
The server will be just for my personal stuff (personal web site, DNS, etc), nothing mission critical. Just trying to save a few bucks buying cheap large capacity SATA drives vs. used smaller capacity SCSI drives.
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i want to know if there is a difference between enterprise drives and desktop drives and which ones hosts use
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I have number of question relevant to dedi. severs. I dont know to post them seperately or in single thread , sorry to mod for my negligence.
raid 1
or
If I have two drives ,and take daily backup on second drive
how much average small websites can hold a single machine=
quad xeon 2.3 , 4gb ram, 1 tb drive what you say?
how many websites you ever hosted on single machine?
is it wise to host large number of website on single powerful machine with external backup, or go for number of small dedis.
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Apr 30, 2007
I have a dell POWER VAULT 725N utilizing a 4 HDD RAID 5 setup.
Server has died and bios error message shows that 2 hard drives had failed. I can not boot to windows.
Data is very crucial, what are my options for data recovery?
I really hope I can recover the data, I doubt that two HDD actually failed at the same time without giving any warnings. I hope its the raid controller.
Would like to hear pointers from the community on how to recover important data from the RAID.
Are there any companies/software that would help in this assuming it is a hdd failure and not a controller issue?
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Aug 21, 2007
PowerEdge SC1435 Dual Core AMD Opteron® 2212; 2.0GHz,2X1MB Cache,1Ghz HyperTransport 143G20 [222-6400] 1
Operating System No Operating System NOOS [420-6320] 11
2nd Processor Single Processor Only 1P [311-3928] 2
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1st Hard Drive 80GB 7.2K RPM Serial ATA 3Gbps 3.5-in Cabled Hard Drive 80S2 [341-3801] 8
Primary Controller Onboard SATA Controller - No RAID OBSATA [430-1949] 9
Network Adapters On-Board Dual Port Gigabit Network Adapter, No TOE OBNIC [430-2008] 13
CD/DVD Drive No CD/DVD NOCDDVD [313-3924] 16
Bezel Bezel FRTBZL [313-4477] 17
System Documentation No Hard Copy Documentation, E-Docs ONLY and OpenManage CD Kit EDOCS [310-8261] 21
HD Configuration Onboard SATA, 1 Drive connected to Onboard SATA Controller - NO RAID MST1 [341-3957] 27
Chassis Configuration No Rack Rails Included NORAIL [341-3089] 28
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why do Dell's none dell rack rail cost $249? Can i buy the rail for dell from ebay? i saw a dell rail cost only $140 on ebay.
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I've just bought myself a linux based NAS for storage/backups at home and a couple of WD Greenpower (Non-RAID edition) HDDs.
For those who don't know what TLER is (Time Limited Error Recovery), without it enabled the HDD does its own error recovery, which may take longer than the acceptable time for a RAID Controller. In which case, the drive is kicked out of the array. With TLER on, the idea is that the drive keeps notifying the controller, or the controller handles the error.
So, my actual question is, does Linux Software RAID benefit from TLER being enabled? Or is it best to let the drive do it's own thing?
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We've got a couple of Dell SC440's that we use for low end stuff. We need one with RAID-1 so after talking with our Dell rep we ordered a 5iR card and the corresponding SATA cables. The cables are kind of funky in that the drive end of the cable has both the SATA and power connector in one "thing". You then plug the SATA power into the back of this (it piggy backs on). Once you have done all that the cover won't fit back on as the power connectors stick about 1/2" in beyond the case.
Anyone out there have a SC440 with RAID so we can compare notes?
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I have a Dell 2850 with 6 HD's:
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3x72 GB in a RAID 5 with LD 1 of 144GB
1x72 GB as a HotSpare
The 'problem/chalange' is as follows:
The LD 0 RAID 1 is getting too small (2x36GB seen as 36) for my Windows 2008 server C drive. So I changed one 36 GB disk for a 72GB and after a couple of days the other 36 GB to a 144 GB disk (because I had those two and not 2x72 GB or 2x144 GB). Everything is working fine in this RAID 1. But now I want to enlarge/expand de Logical Drive (LD no. 0) from 36 GB to 72 GB.
I only managed to make an extra (third) Logical Drive (LD no. 2 of 36 GB).
Now I do not know how to delete this extra LD 2 on RAID 1 AND how to expand the RAID 1 LD 0 into a LD of 72 GB.
The problem is that I do not know which option to choose in the RAID controller panel (ctrl+m during the bootup progres screen).
Who knows which buttons to press or a Windows based program to configure the RAID?
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I searched a lot on your forums but found nothing relating on VPS. I'm basicly a DBA IRL, so I have experience in hardrives when it comes to databases, but it's completely different for VPS.
According to my boss, each VPS will run a LAMP solution (having a separeted DB cluster is out of question for some reason).
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But I'm not sure that SATA 7.2k will hold the charge of 20 complete VPS.
Does it worth it to go with SAS anyway or SATA should be just fine? With SATA better use plain old sata 7.2k or 10k drives?
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I must not even understand the basics of how mounting works in Linux.
Physical drive /dev/sda1 is mounted at /
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mount /dev/md0 /vol
Code:
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/dev/sda1 9.9G 2.2G 7.3G 23% /
/dev/md0 200G 470M 200G 1% /vol
Now I start creating files in /vol/*
Then I unmount /dev/md0
I still see the files at /vol/*. They seem to be on /dev/sda1.
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mount /dev/md0 /vol
Code:
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
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Now I start creating files in /vol/*
Then I unmount /dev/md0
I still see the files at /vol/*. They seem to be on /dev/sda1.
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Basically this will be an extra backup machine to pull backups from servers instead of my usual "pushing" of backup data.
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