Considering Moving From Dedicated To Colo... Scared
Jul 18, 2007
I'm thinking of moving from a dedicated server to colocation. The two reasons for this are -
A. I'd like to actually own my server (considering a Dell rack.)
B. There seems to be a very big price difference between renting a high spec dedicated server and just having your own high spec server in a data centre.
My worries are as follows -
1. Should I install the new server in the data centre before putting Linux etc. on it? Or should I put everything I want on it before it goes to the data centre? Or do racks normally come with Linux pre-installed? I have no idea. What's the normal procedure for new servers?
2. Would it be easy/painless to transfer my websites from my current server to the new colo server? I rely on WHM/Cpanel for a lot of my admin work. I'm not useless, but I'm not good enough to manualy configure DNS etc. myself. Could one of the outsourced administration companies take care of all this for me?
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Jan 16, 2007
I've read quite a bit on these forums trying to figure out a step by step course of going colo, but I'm coming up short. I'm hoping someone can help.
We're presently renting five dedicated servers from a high-end provider and another at EV1. We're spending about $2500 a month on these servers, plus another $300+ per month on email. We're at the point where we know we will need to grow over the next year, and instead of continuing to rent more and more dedicated servers, we're looking to just go CoLo.
We're planning to start with a half-rack. We've priced the servers, but need help understanding how to go about getting things going once we have the physical servers in hand. Specifically:
1: What else do we need besides servers? Do we need routers and/or switches? Do we need a firewall? Can a firewall handle multiple servers?
2: Can all our servers be setup on a private network? (we'd like to use servers to back up each other in case one goes down)
3: How do we allocate ip addresses? For instance, if a server goes down, can we move that IP address over to another server and bring the site back up with a minimum of downtime?
4: What about remove access? Should we put a DRAC in each server, or are there other solutions where we could purchase one box and access all servers?
5: How do we do basic DNS things such as creating custom nameservers?
6: How do we pick the right CoLo facility? We're looking at one in Raleigh or Charlotte and are considering Peak10 (they currently provide our backbone in Louisville, with no problems over the last 4+ years). What questions do we need to ask? What pitfalls do we need to look out for?
7: What monitoring software should we consider, if any? (our boxes will *all* be Windows boxes, btw)
8: Anyone here that's in the NC area that is interested in helping us purchase all the equipment we need, helping us set it all up, and then be available on call for a couple of months to help with the obvious stupid questions that are sure to arrise? We would want someone absolutely top notch that has plenty of experience doing this kind of thing.
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Aug 27, 2008
I'm moving from VPS to dedicated server, and I need to make the VPS ROOT as "Reseller" on the dedicated!
So, Is there any way to move all accounts from VPS to Dedicated once, then assign them to the reseller account instead of backup each account on VPS and restore it on the dedicated!
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Apr 8, 2008
I currently have a VPS account with a company that provided an email service, so I just would refer my hosting clients to them for email. I hosted the websites and just referred the email to them. I'm moving to a dedicated server with VolumeDrive, and I'd like to be able to provide email on my own to my clients.
I'd like to see how others do this. Do you host everything on one server, website + email, or do you host them on separate servers?
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May 2, 2009
I have a drupal based site. The front page is about 200kb and I have 10 trimmed topics in front page. Currently the site is hosted on a shared server. My question is how many hits or page loads per hour/minute should I have before it would be necessary to switch to a dedicated server?
My host is hostgator.
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Jan 8, 2009
Presently, my site is hosted at ICDsoft business shared account
And my site is hosted on "two Quad-core Xeon processors, 8 GB RAM and a multi-terabyte RAID 6 disk array."
I am planning on moving away from a shared account.
My site is an ecommerce site and my budget for a new server is around $100-$150 per month.
Should i transfer to a VPS or Dedicated server ?
I need a Full/complete managed server, either it be VPS or Dedicated. I dont want to get involved in setting up, securing etc. the server. I would like a Control Panel, be it Cpanel or any other with Linux System.
Also, my main concern is, how much bandwidth should be good for an ecommerce site with around 20,000 unique visitors per month, around 500,000 hits per month
I am looking into the following companies which provides VPS and Dedicated solutions:
1). Liquidweb
2). DedicatedNOW
3). Wiredtree
Are there any other companies i should look into?
Which company would be the best in terms of service and support response time? Im spoiled by ICDSoft's quick response time
Also, How much RAM would be good, since most VPS solutions have 512 to 786 MB ram?
How many Cores- Dual, Quad?
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May 2, 2008
I've been a colo since the beginning of time. My servers are getting old so I've started pricing options, and it looks like dedicated is the way to go today. But I'm not sure...
I suppose it depends on the host. My host says "if you're colo, we provide admin at an hourly rate. If your machine needs a reboot, call us and we reboot it. If you're dedicated we don't touch your server beyond repairing it. If it needs a reboot, you login to our site and click a link and it is rebooted."
That doesn't seem like much of a difference. I'd need an off-site admin, but both charge by the hour, so no big deal. A live person reboot seems no better than a web-based software reboot. In fact I'll wager that the "live person" just logs in and clicks the link for me.
Colo is about twice as expensive as dedicated. That seems like the only big difference.
It also seems to me that with today's cPanel-style admin it's trivial to migrate to a new host, so competition to keep clients is intense. I'm guessing that keeps prices down. Reading between the lines of what my host says, I can tell he doesn't really want me to go dedicated. He kinda said they don't make much money on dedicated machines.
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Aug 18, 2008
I've been dealing with VPS and dedicated servers primarily.
Is there any benefit of switching to colocation? When should one consider switching to colocation? And should he at all?
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Jun 26, 2008
I would really appreciate some advice about changing from a VPS to a dedicated server and getting a good 24/7 server management service
I know I need more Ram than I’ve got now and I know I need a managed server. Beyond that I’m not sure what I need and all the info I’m reading is making me more uncertain and more worried about making the wrong decision.
I moved from shared hosting to VPS a year ago. I have now started to outgrow the VPS.
The VPS has 512 MB Ram, 10% Burstable Resources. The site has been up since the last crash for 78 days but it is maxing out the Ram during the busy parts of the day and has high load averages.
There is one site on the VPS with static HTML pages. Last month’s figures were approximately 186,000 MB of Data transfer and 4,362000 page views. Average of 30,000 visitors per day
I want to add another 4 or 5 sites small sites. Some of those will be XML feed sites. No forums, chat or reselling.
So what to choose?
1.Operating System
CentOS or Fedora Core Linux 6
2.Control Panel
cPanel 11 or Parallels Pro
3.Processor
Single Core or Dual Core
4.Ram
1GB or 2GB
5.Hard Drive
Single with backup, RAID or RAID with backup drive
Server Management Services and Monitoring 24/7
I’m using WebSite Pulse for monitoring at the moment and I’m very happy with them but they don’t do server management. I need a company to secure, protect, update and keep the server running 24/7
platinumservermanagement.com seem to offer a good service for only $29 per month. Don’t know what they are like. They only manage cPanel, don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Would appreciate other suggestions.
Basically I’ve got to decide do I stick with current hosting service and move to a dedicated server choosing from the options I have listed or move to another hosting service offering managed VPS with more resources like wiredtree.com. Don’t know what Wired Tree is like just read about them in the forum.
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May 13, 2007
Just wondering the many different types of ways to do this..
I been trying to do it via cPanel, but it seems my Reseller for my old site, has disallowed ssh for me.
Just wondering ,if its possible to do with ssh, or any other way!
thanks so much
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Sep 11, 2005
I'm moving a large, 4 gig site between 2 servers (both have cpanel... if that's an option). Is there a way to do it quickly and correctly? How would I transfer such a large site?
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Apr 25, 2009
For the last few weeks I have been looking around at various colo and dedi offers here and there because I was thinking of saving some money by colocating a server and I noticed that everyone who offers both colo and dedi have things fixed so that the colo is much more expensive than renting a dedi from the same people in the exact same datacenters!
You would think that since a brand new server costs between $500 and $2500 to build or buy that amortizing of the cost of the hardware would make the dedis more expensive but in fact the opposite is true 90% of the time and only rarely does a host offer a colo plan that even matches their dedi plans. There are exceptions, like FDC for example but most of the time when you sit down and look at the price per mbps and the price per amp the colocation for a standard 8GB/quadcore/500GB server doing 2 TB of bandwidth is more just in monthly rental than if you rented a dedi(that the company owns).
So, in other words if I am renting a dedi with 8GB RAM, Quadcore CPU, 500GB hard drive with 5000 GB bandwidth quota on a 100mbps uplink for $125 to $150 a month and I wanted to save money by swapping it out with my own dedi of the same specs I would right away lose the cost of the dedi and then each month lose even more just in the colo fees along.
So what exactly is going on here? Are hosts overselling their dedis and making losses on a few but profits on most? And then on top of that artificially bloating their colo prices to encourage people to rent dedis instead? Or...do they just bloat colo prices out of fear and expectation that anyone who colos will be blasting their servers to the max and sucking up the mostest amps while using all the bandwidth that they buy?
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Mar 12, 2008
I'm looking to get a 500mbps or a 1 gbps dedicated colo plan for 2 streaming servers.
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Dec 31, 2007
I have been reviewing online price quotes for colo hosting and dedicated server hosting. To me, common sense would be that it would be less expensive to get a cheapo used server off of ebay and have it colocated. But what I am seeing is many instances where it would would actually be less expensive per month to rent a dedicated server (which might even be a better server) - including in some cases from the very same companies that offer the colo services. Is what I am seeing typical - and, if so, why is this the case? Is there an assumption that a colo customer will use more bandwidth than a typical dedicated server customer? Is the cost of servicing a colo customer significantly greater than that of a dedicated server customer?
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Mar 22, 2007
We're currently with Rackspace with three dedicated boxes from them that we got several years ago. Rackspace has been a relativly good service for us up until last year.
Basically, the people before me were content with letting the servers sit there as they were loaded up more and more with virtual domains, more spam trap e-mail accounts and so on. Anyone who's been fourth in line will know the feeling.
Anyway, now that I am here, there are a lot of things that I'm finding we're paying Rackspace for that I could manage better on my own "if".
So, to cut costs, improve performance (we're still paying a premium price for machines that I've begun retiring from desktop usage) and generally give the webmaster more toys to tinker with, we've been discussing colocation of our own machines.
I've spoken to a LOT of people, having submitted Colotraq requests, googled, lurked on this forum (I've been a member for years, several times, actually) and discussed with friends and colleagues over IRC.
That said, I'm not finding a lot of "good options". Perhaps I'm a little biased, I've found a single host with just about everything I want, but due to a directive from my CEO, we can't use them.
Here I'll plug someone. One of the most attentive people I've ever met has been Dallas Kincaid of Xecu.net in Frederick MD. This man jumped through hoops to provide me information about his services, offered darn good rates and is generally a great person to deal with. The problem with using them is that one of our direct competitors, someone we've just ended years of litigation with, colocates with Xecu.net and I was barred from pursuing them as an option.
Anyway, here's what I require.
We currently run RHEL 2.1 AS, which needs being replaced, but as is the case in corporate settings, this has to be done gradually, without disturbing the delicate customers. On that system we've also got a slew of proprietary application that we're not willing to replace out right, but we plan to phase out over time in favor of Free Software offerings (some written in house).
I plan on running some kind of virtualization (not certain which yet, as there are pros for each) to keep these legacy systems in place while migrating our clients over as possible. Because I'm not sure what our needs in a year might be, we may deploy more VM's on the same physical machines.
A coloprovider with reasonable and abundant IP address policy and a TOS that allows virtual servers is a MUST.
One of our requirements is that the facility is in the general DC/Dulles area so that I may get to the server from my home or from work easily.
We also plan to utilize a dedicated firewall, a dedicated spam filtering appliance and a storage server. I have no problem paying for unused space if the price is reasonable, so colo providers selling 1/4 and 1/2 racks are fine even though we won't use it all.
Rackspace doesn't monitor 95th percentile bandwidth, so I'm not sure what I'd need if 95th percentile was used. However, the average monthly (combined) volume from our servers now is between 280 and 375 GB.
Does anybody here have experience with a provider they KNOW would meet my needs, so that I can compare pricing? If you've got kudos or horror stories, I'd like to hear those as well. I'm willing to overlook a reasonable price difference for good service, follow through or expertise.
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Dec 16, 2007
Please give me the difference. Colo in carrier hotel, we can choose our preferred network provider, but should we do that if we cannot have our own tech in datacenter? How about the supporting service from carrier hotel? Just general question, cause I dont address exactly which facility.
And the second would be more expensive? Saying the same number of rack, amount of bandwidth... Who is providing IP addresses then?
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Oct 19, 2007
This is probably a dumb question, but I've been curious about something. While shopping around for either a cheap dedicated server (less than $75/mo) or a cheap colo for a 1u server, I have noticed that the cheap dedicated servers are often less than a cheap colo, which seems odd to me since with a colo you bring your own machine.
For example, Sago Networks has cheap dedicateds for $50, $59, $79 etc. yet their cheapest colo option is $99. For Sago's $50 dedicated you get 1000GB transfer and 2 IP's, and with their $99 colo you get only get 100 GB transfer and 1 IP.
And Sago is not unusual in this respect. I've priced other providers that fall into this category and they have similar differences.
So why is colo more expensive than dedicated for similar, if not lower, features?
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Jun 14, 2008
We have 2 Servers:
Server A - this is a VPS
All webfiles/domains/dns/nameservers are confuigured on this server
Server B - this is a dedicated server
Only Databases are setup on this server.
Now we have planned to move from Server A to Server B to avoid/minimize server loads caused on Server A due to heavy traffic.
How should we begin ?
How can we minimize the downtime in migration. ?
How can we transfer our awstats logs from last 2 years to new server ?
We are mainly concerned about domains/dns setup where we have least knowledge these are only on Server A. We are also using custom nameservers and Servint nameservers for some domains respectively.
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Jun 14, 2008
We have 2 Servers:
Server A - this is a VPS
All webfiles/domains/dns/nameservers are confuigured on this server
Server B - this is a dedicated server
Only Databases are setup on this server.
Now we have planned to move from Server A to Server B to avoid/minimize server loads caused on Server A due to heavy traffic.
How should we begin ?
How can we minimize the downtime in migration. ?
How can we transfer our awstats logs from last 2 years to new server ?
We are mainly concerned about domains/dns setup where we have least knowledge these are only on Server A. We are also using custom nameservers and Servint nameservers for some domains respectively.
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Apr 22, 2007
I have a 'complex' situation, if you will. The site I run has free access to a variety of server hardware. Sitting under my desk, I currently have:
1. Dual Xeon 5345 (quad core, 2.33GHz) with 8GB memory, mid-tower
2. Quad Opteron 8xx (dual core, 2.2GHz) with 16GB memory, 3U
3. Dual Xeon 5160 (dual core, 3GHz) with 4GB memory, mid-tower
We also have the appropriate licenses for Windows and MSSQL (which is what we use).
I am currently on a shared host that we'd like to move away from. We would like to have the ability to run both a production and a development environment. We'd also like to be able to offer web-hosting to a couple of other small sites...
So what I'm wondering is whether it really makes sense to colo. Honestly, it seems like we'll get a lot more bang for our buck versus dedicated. Most dedicated servers that are under 200 could only be described as sad and pathetic. However, they may be enough for what we need....
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Jul 11, 2008
I've been on shared hosting for nigh on 3 years now. My site suddenly started growing rapidly recently and my shared host now has requested that I move onto a VPS or Dedicated as soon as possible (I would stay with them, but they don't have VPS options sadly)
My site is an image host, a dynamic image host too.
About 80% of my visits are from the US so I have decided, even though I am UK, that I need a US VPS.
I need it to be cheap, like $30 (To start with, while I gain funds) and generally reliable.
Would anyone know where such VPSs are? I would like 300MB or more RAM and about 5-10GB of disk space. My main issue right now is quality of customer service, I don't want to end up with a company that either has poor customer service or puts extreme restrictions on activity.
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May 14, 2007
I have two reseller accounts at the moment, where all my domains are spread out at the moment. And I have just purchased a VPS from SolarVPS, and I'm awaiting the account details. Is there a way that I can transfer the sites across easily, such as creating a full backup and then restoring on the new VPS, or would I have do it individually for each website?
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Feb 6, 2007
It's now coming to the point where I really want to consolidate all of our kit (mainly in the UK) and move to our own AS number, now I already know what routing equipment we're going to use and that is appropriate for the amount of traffic we need to carry, but what I'm stuck with now is which transit providers to use. I don't mind spending a reasonable amount on transit, but not stupid amounts. It also doesn't matter where I can pick these up as the plan we have includes our own links between buildings.
First of all let me say this is going to be a very slow process, so please do not PM me with your offers for transit, I'm not interested.
The plans are to peer at a couple of exchanges, most likely LINX and Xchangepoint, and to pick up around 3/4 transit providers. Because most UK traffic goes via peers, what I'm really looking for are the bigger providers to improve transatlantic routes rather than smaller providers which just make the hop count longer, my shortlist is currently:
Level3
Telia
T-Systems
PCCW
C&W
Interoute
GBLX
Viatel
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Jun 13, 2007
recently moved from webhosting to VPS less than a month ago.
I got my VPS set up quite easily, however I have been experiencing a lot of downtime.
I have experienced around 60 hours of downtime in the last month itself, and i am quite pissed cause the provider claims 99.9% uptime guarantee.
I want to try out another provider but would not want to get burnt again…
Could you guys recommend any good VPS providers to me?
I would need 512 Ram / 2 IP’s >10GB Disk space and about 250-300GB bandwidth.
But one unique requirement that I have is that I need to run a few irc clients( not ircD servers, eggdrop type bots ) for my services.
Other than that the VPS would be used for a heavy duty forum and high hit website. With several other low hit websites as well.
Services wise I mainly need apache/php and mysql (heavy usage)
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May 25, 2007
Anyone have thoughts about moving from APF to CSF? We are running a cPanel server and have heard lots of good things about CSF.
Anyone have details for a non-technical person?
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Mar 6, 2007
I'm moving from a VPS to a dedicated server and most of the files/databases have been transferred.
I have a folder (with files) in the /usr/local/ folder of the VPS (chatroom software), is there anyway I can transfer them to the dedicated server in its /usr/local folder through SSH/Telenet?
I have used it before to move my MYSQL database but I was following step-by-step instructions from Vbulletin, I guess this will be different compared to transferring a database backup.
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Nov 24, 2008
MOVING from LIQUIDWEB to ... ?
I want to move from liquid web, but i don't know where to go.
the reason is, i need more bandwith (about 1000GB) and they said, the limit in a VPS is 700GB, to get more i should go to a dedicated.
my budget doesn't allow me to go to a dedicated.
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May 10, 2005
i am moving from godaddy.com.
i am facing a lot of technical errors hosting asp.net pages.
it does not support emailing it gives out errors.
it does not support file handling and directory creation
can anyone tell me a good hosting company.
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Oct 11, 2009
I am presently running a website at ICDSoft on a shared hosting account.
Here are the specs on the server where my site is hosted
Server has
Quote:
2 Quad-core Xeon processors
8 GB RAM
multi-terabyte RAID 6 disk array.
Now, I would like to know, if I move to VPS, which VPS plan would be the best.
How much should my minimum VPS ram be?
Are there any speed tests you would like me to run on my present server?
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Jun 11, 2009
I just had a thought. If I am moving from one host to the other, the old host would still have my files. Whats stopping them from just using the files to copy my site. Basically is there an easy way to delete my files from my old host?
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Aug 5, 2009
i've moved servers (joomla site).
only problem is that I'm on limited bandwidth internet, and i still have some really large files on the old server. can i transfer them to the new server without re-uploading them?
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