Dedicated Vs. Colo
Aug 18, 2008I've been dealing with VPS and dedicated servers primarily.
Is there any benefit of switching to colocation? When should one consider switching to colocation? And should he at all?
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Colo Vs Dedicated
May 2, 2008I've been a colo since the beginning of time. My servers are getting old so I've started pricing options, and it looks like dedicated is the way to go today. But I'm not sure...
I suppose it depends on the host. My host says "if you're colo, we provide admin at an hourly rate. If your machine needs a reboot, call us and we reboot it. If you're dedicated we don't touch your server beyond repairing it. If it needs a reboot, you login to our site and click a link and it is rebooted."
That doesn't seem like much of a difference. I'd need an off-site admin, but both charge by the hour, so no big deal. A live person reboot seems no better than a web-based software reboot. In fact I'll wager that the "live person" just logs in and clicks the link for me.
Colo is about twice as expensive as dedicated. That seems like the only big difference.
It also seems to me that with today's cPanel-style admin it's trivial to migrate to a new host, so competition to keep clients is intense. I'm guessing that keeps prices down. Reading between the lines of what my host says, I can tell he doesn't really want me to go dedicated. He kinda said they don't make much money on dedicated machines.
Why Is Colo More Expensive Than Dedicated Hosting
Apr 25, 2009For the last few weeks I have been looking around at various colo and dedi offers here and there because I was thinking of saving some money by colocating a server and I noticed that everyone who offers both colo and dedi have things fixed so that the colo is much more expensive than renting a dedi from the same people in the exact same datacenters!
You would think that since a brand new server costs between $500 and $2500 to build or buy that amortizing of the cost of the hardware would make the dedis more expensive but in fact the opposite is true 90% of the time and only rarely does a host offer a colo plan that even matches their dedi plans. There are exceptions, like FDC for example but most of the time when you sit down and look at the price per mbps and the price per amp the colocation for a standard 8GB/quadcore/500GB server doing 2 TB of bandwidth is more just in monthly rental than if you rented a dedi(that the company owns).
So, in other words if I am renting a dedi with 8GB RAM, Quadcore CPU, 500GB hard drive with 5000 GB bandwidth quota on a 100mbps uplink for $125 to $150 a month and I wanted to save money by swapping it out with my own dedi of the same specs I would right away lose the cost of the dedi and then each month lose even more just in the colo fees along.
So what exactly is going on here? Are hosts overselling their dedis and making losses on a few but profits on most? And then on top of that artificially bloating their colo prices to encourage people to rent dedis instead? Or...do they just bloat colo prices out of fear and expectation that anyone who colos will be blasting their servers to the max and sucking up the mostest amps while using all the bandwidth that they buy?
Who Has The Best 1gbps Dedicated Colo Offer
Mar 12, 2008I'm looking to get a 500mbps or a 1 gbps dedicated colo plan for 2 streaming servers.
View 14 Replies View RelatedConsidering Moving From Dedicated To Colo... Scared
Jul 18, 2007I'm thinking of moving from a dedicated server to colocation. The two reasons for this are -
A. I'd like to actually own my server (considering a Dell rack.)
B. There seems to be a very big price difference between renting a high spec dedicated server and just having your own high spec server in a data centre.
My worries are as follows -
1. Should I install the new server in the data centre before putting Linux etc. on it? Or should I put everything I want on it before it goes to the data centre? Or do racks normally come with Linux pre-installed? I have no idea. What's the normal procedure for new servers?
2. Would it be easy/painless to transfer my websites from my current server to the new colo server? I rely on WHM/Cpanel for a lot of my admin work. I'm not useless, but I'm not good enough to manualy configure DNS etc. myself. Could one of the outsourced administration companies take care of all this for me?
Colo Vs Dedicated Server Pricing
Dec 31, 2007I have been reviewing online price quotes for colo hosting and dedicated server hosting. To me, common sense would be that it would be less expensive to get a cheapo used server off of ebay and have it colocated. But what I am seeing is many instances where it would would actually be less expensive per month to rent a dedicated server (which might even be a better server) - including in some cases from the very same companies that offer the colo services. Is what I am seeing typical - and, if so, why is this the case? Is there an assumption that a colo customer will use more bandwidth than a typical dedicated server customer? Is the cost of servicing a colo customer significantly greater than that of a dedicated server customer?
View 7 Replies View RelatedDedicated To Colo In Dulles Area
Mar 22, 2007We're currently with Rackspace with three dedicated boxes from them that we got several years ago. Rackspace has been a relativly good service for us up until last year.
Basically, the people before me were content with letting the servers sit there as they were loaded up more and more with virtual domains, more spam trap e-mail accounts and so on. Anyone who's been fourth in line will know the feeling.
Anyway, now that I am here, there are a lot of things that I'm finding we're paying Rackspace for that I could manage better on my own "if".
So, to cut costs, improve performance (we're still paying a premium price for machines that I've begun retiring from desktop usage) and generally give the webmaster more toys to tinker with, we've been discussing colocation of our own machines.
I've spoken to a LOT of people, having submitted Colotraq requests, googled, lurked on this forum (I've been a member for years, several times, actually) and discussed with friends and colleagues over IRC.
That said, I'm not finding a lot of "good options". Perhaps I'm a little biased, I've found a single host with just about everything I want, but due to a directive from my CEO, we can't use them.
Here I'll plug someone. One of the most attentive people I've ever met has been Dallas Kincaid of Xecu.net in Frederick MD. This man jumped through hoops to provide me information about his services, offered darn good rates and is generally a great person to deal with. The problem with using them is that one of our direct competitors, someone we've just ended years of litigation with, colocates with Xecu.net and I was barred from pursuing them as an option.
Anyway, here's what I require.
We currently run RHEL 2.1 AS, which needs being replaced, but as is the case in corporate settings, this has to be done gradually, without disturbing the delicate customers. On that system we've also got a slew of proprietary application that we're not willing to replace out right, but we plan to phase out over time in favor of Free Software offerings (some written in house).
I plan on running some kind of virtualization (not certain which yet, as there are pros for each) to keep these legacy systems in place while migrating our clients over as possible. Because I'm not sure what our needs in a year might be, we may deploy more VM's on the same physical machines.
A coloprovider with reasonable and abundant IP address policy and a TOS that allows virtual servers is a MUST.
One of our requirements is that the facility is in the general DC/Dulles area so that I may get to the server from my home or from work easily.
We also plan to utilize a dedicated firewall, a dedicated spam filtering appliance and a storage server. I have no problem paying for unused space if the price is reasonable, so colo providers selling 1/4 and 1/2 racks are fine even though we won't use it all.
Rackspace doesn't monitor 95th percentile bandwidth, so I'm not sure what I'd need if 95th percentile was used. However, the average monthly (combined) volume from our servers now is between 280 and 375 GB.
Does anybody here have experience with a provider they KNOW would meet my needs, so that I can compare pricing? If you've got kudos or horror stories, I'd like to hear those as well. I'm willing to overlook a reasonable price difference for good service, follow through or expertise.
Take A Colo Package Or Colo In A Carrier Hotel With Your Own Network
Dec 16, 2007Please give me the difference. Colo in carrier hotel, we can choose our preferred network provider, but should we do that if we cannot have our own tech in datacenter? How about the supporting service from carrier hotel? Just general question, cause I dont address exactly which facility.
And the second would be more expensive? Saying the same number of rack, amount of bandwidth... Who is providing IP addresses then?
Why Is Cheap Colo More Expensive Than Cheap Dedicated?
Oct 19, 2007This is probably a dumb question, but I've been curious about something. While shopping around for either a cheap dedicated server (less than $75/mo) or a cheap colo for a 1u server, I have noticed that the cheap dedicated servers are often less than a cheap colo, which seems odd to me since with a colo you bring your own machine.
For example, Sago Networks has cheap dedicateds for $50, $59, $79 etc. yet their cheapest colo option is $99. For Sago's $50 dedicated you get 1000GB transfer and 2 IP's, and with their $99 colo you get only get 100 GB transfer and 1 IP.
And Sago is not unusual in this respect. I've priced other providers that fall into this category and they have similar differences.
So why is colo more expensive than dedicated for similar, if not lower, features?
Colo Versus VPS Versus Dedicated
Apr 22, 2007I have a 'complex' situation, if you will. The site I run has free access to a variety of server hardware. Sitting under my desk, I currently have:
1. Dual Xeon 5345 (quad core, 2.33GHz) with 8GB memory, mid-tower
2. Quad Opteron 8xx (dual core, 2.2GHz) with 16GB memory, 3U
3. Dual Xeon 5160 (dual core, 3GHz) with 4GB memory, mid-tower
We also have the appropriate licenses for Windows and MSSQL (which is what we use).
I am currently on a shared host that we'd like to move away from. We would like to have the ability to run both a production and a development environment. We'd also like to be able to offer web-hosting to a couple of other small sites...
So what I'm wondering is whether it really makes sense to colo. Honestly, it seems like we'll get a lot more bang for our buck versus dedicated. Most dedicated servers that are under 200 could only be described as sad and pathetic. However, they may be enough for what we need....
Time For A Dedicated? And Opinions On Future Hosting Dedicated Servers?
Mar 26, 2009Some information about my forum:
I run a VBulletin forum with - 575,614 post, 14,369 members and 2.9 million page views per month. On average there are 300 - 400 people on the site.
The server right now is a Linux CentOS VPS with 1.1 gigs of memory. The hosting provider keeps telling me that I need a dedicated server.
Question # 1 - In your opinion - do you think its time for a dedicated server?
The server I am looking at has these stats:
E8300
2 GB RAM
250GB HD
cPanel
Management
The price I was given is pretty good. So the offer is going to be hard to pass up.
Question # 2 - Has anyone here used Future Hosting for their dedicated server solution?
Colo- 1U Vs Amp
Mar 29, 2008I've been out of the game for a while and now looking at colo prices each server is only allocated 0.5a on most plans.
I was looking at purchasing a 1u HP DL160 dual quad core system with at least dual sata raided drives
My question is what kind of amps would a system like this pull? and how much do data centers typically charge for that additional power if it needed over the .5
Colo In EU/US/CA/UK
Mar 11, 2008if anyone knew hosts (other then FDC in USA) that offers 1U-4U/midtower colocation with 100Mbit or greater uplink, with atleast 2TB of transfer. With IRC allowed.
My budget is ~$100, I'm fairly sure it can be done as I saw FDC had one for $79, and it would be fine though I was hoping if anyone knew any others.
Also, Giga-International has what I need, are they reliable?
48 VDC Colo
Dec 10, 2007Anyone here have much experience in a facility with 48VDC (like a telco facility). Is it more trouble than it's worth?
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Jul 20, 2008colo of a 1u server that would need 500gig per month of b/w and I perferably would like to find a DC in NY/northern NJ or southern CT although in my search I seem to be getting price quotes of $100+ per month which I think is insane when I see dedicateds with more b/w for the same amount or even less.
I know most will say just get a dedicated server somewhere but my requirments are that I need a server with a lot of ram and at least a dual cpu and dedicate's with a dual cpu and 2gigs or more of ram seem to be much more thenmy budget.
So any suggestions for a $60 or less per month colo space with 500gig of b/w or a dedicated server provider offering a server in that price range with dual cpu and 2gig ddr ram and 80gig hdd?
By the way I looked at ezzi.net which has a $49 deal on a dedicated server but no option to have one with a dual cpu:
Colo...
Jan 3, 2007I have had experience with reselling hosting using HostGator seller. My job was basically to run my site and get customers, set up price plans etc on WHM. I sold that company a while back. I am ready to have another shot at hosting, but this time I want to use my own servers...
I have found a great site, which has customisations etc. on servers (http://www.cybertronpc.com), but they don't ship to UK. (If I'm using colo is US, could I get it shipped straight to them?)
My main question is, is colo needed? If I am going to setup this company the Data-Center is not going to be local, either London or in US. So there is no chance of me going down unless it is to pick up my server . So I think I'm going to need a maintaned service I think. The server will be used for clients data (shared hosting). So what services will I need in terms of security and stability? What am I looking for in a colo service? What about back-ups of data on the server? Is that my responsibility or can it be bought as a service? Ok... now I'm guessing that I'm going to need colo...
What are common problems etc. with servers? Am I going to need virtual IP connection for maintainance... Is it best I pay for this or a service operator? Any recommendations on where to have the colo (i'm based in UK) and why? What can I do when it is time for me to request my server back from UK?
When changing colo services is there any way of avoiding down-time?
Value Colo
Jul 16, 2007I have noticed that many web hosts offer intel celeron machines @ $55 per month...they do not own the datacenters but colocate the servers,
We are also thinking of buying 2-3 such machines @ $450 each and then coloing them in the USA
I think about 800gigs-1tb would be the bandwidth requirements per server..
we aren't interested in RACKS...we just want to colo 2-3 machines to see how fast they sell, and then maybe we might order about 10-15 servers..
who do you think can offer us a decent deal for less than $40-50 per month...all
Colo
Oct 31, 2007currently I have managed several dedicated servers. I plan to colo it with 1 rack at a datacentre. So, before I buy hardware or software, I need some helpful info/guide.
- I need my server can be monitored, reboot remotely. What kind of hardware is require and please suggest some models.
- Which software is suitable for billing, monitoring. Please suggest any software come with good API since I plan to develop own small control panel later.
COLO In FL
Jan 28, 2007anyone knows any good colocations in orlando, FL? I need 2 mb and 300 gb for 49.99 per month.
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Mar 13, 2007What is the best indication for a web hosting company to move from dedicated server to colocation?
I have several low end dedis and im thinking of buying an enterprise class server with lots of diskspace (raid 5, dual power, ecc, etc.), have it colocated and move all the accounts to that server. I would be saving in the long run but kinda turned-off due to all eggs in one (enterprise-class) basket dilema. I woud be saving on server management cost too because I'm signing up one machine only instead of several.
Is going colocation a natural progression of the web hosting business cycle? We start off with a Reseller Account in the beginning - then grow and lease a Dedicated Server. And then grow and lease another and another..... Is colocation the next big step?
Colo
Jul 25, 2007I'm considering going with CalPop for one of my colo sites. I've read the user reviews and apart from those who were chaffed because of scratched servers and reboots they seem decent enough. My take on sticking anything in a datacenter is to stick it in yourself and rent the entire rack. That should take care of 90% of the negative reviews I have read, so my question is does any one have any real review of their services? Bandwidth performance, etc?
Secondly, I need a second colo for a redundant server. I'd like to find something closer on the East coast that offers the same pricing structure and services.
Firewall For Colo
May 1, 2007Anyone know what firewall do I need for my colo? I want to protect external IP. Here is my setup
3 servers, all have two nic cards, one of the cards will be the external IP and the other one will be LAN IP. So my question is what hardware firewall do I need to protect the External IP?
I was thinking of a cisco pix 515e. Which only route external IP to the LAN IP. I need something where I don't have to route, It just protect the external IP.
Colo In USA For VPN Router
Oct 18, 2009I need 1U of space, .5 amp (50 watts) power, one IP, 2.5mbps bidirectional bandwidth (total of 5mbps up + down) and about 10GB of traffic per day each direction (total of 20GB up + down). Would be nice if they have remote KVM along with console (serial) access. Location should be anywhere in USA.
Purpose is to host a VPN router for various remote locations to connect in to. Reliability and good connection (low latency) is important.
Node2 Colo UK
Feb 24, 2008Anyone have any opinions on Node2 colocation up in near Derby?
Seem to offer a good price point, but whats the service like?
Which Is Better For Colo/NOC/DC US Or Canada?
May 29, 2008I have a web hosting business that has been growing constantly for a couple of years, now I think it's time to move on and instead of leasing servers start with colocation and operating my own hardware, I'm in Mexico and there are no good deals here as there are in other countries, so I have several questions about your appreciation of where things are better for business, US or Canada:
Where is colo cheaper?
Where is hardware cheaper?
Where is personnel less costly?
Where is personnel better qualified?
Where is office space cheaper?
Where is electrical energy cheaper?
Where are more investment opportunities?
Where are taxes lower?
Where is living less costly?
I've been researching these on my own but still have several doubts, may be you find some of this question obvious however I'd still like to know your appreciation.
Colo In Texas
Jun 8, 2008Which are the best colo provider in Texas. I checked cologuys, colo4dallas and zogmo.
View 5 Replies View RelatedManaged Colo
Jan 31, 2008Are there any established providers that offer this? I want an established company who isn't going to run off with my server, and they need to provide high quality bandwidth(Level3, AT&T, Sprint, etc) with 100% Power SLA, etc. in a secure facility.
IE: If I buy my own servers can I ship them out to a datacenter to have them fully managed, basically being a dedicated server? Except i'll own the hardware, and they provide the bandwidth, management, etc.
Phoenix Colo DC
Dec 31, 2008Can anyone recommend a descent colo in the Phoenix/Tempe area?
View 14 Replies View RelatedColo Startup
May 15, 2008how to organize a colo startup if I manage to get a cage with 2-3 cabinets in a Peer1 datacentre.
From my knowledge, Peer1 handles firewalling, BGP, etc on their end so I probably won't need it.
But how can I organize it, what do you guys do when you get a new client?
Have cables readily dangling in the racks or something so you can connect it to the clients right away?
What kind of reboot privs do you give out?
Monitoring traffic, etc?
Colo In Seattle
Mar 6, 2008I have an extra tower server (Dell sc1430) that I'd like to colocate in Seattle. Anyone have a suggestion of a company that would colocate a tower in Seattle?
View 7 Replies View RelatedBandwidth And Colo
Apr 25, 2008I've always had to use a bandwidth mix. I recently got offered a great deal on a full rack/cabinet with 30 Mbps of Level3 and Qwest bandwidth in the Chicago area and am thinking about moving my dedicated servers to colo.
I would appreciate your opinions and assistance with these questions.
What is considered a good deal for a full rack, power, and 30 Mbps of Level 3/Qwest bandwidth in the Chicago area? Assuming that it's in a nice and secure datacenter.
Is Level 3 still considered a top bandwidth provider these days?
How good is it compared (in terms of network quality, latency, etc.) to providers like Abovenet, Mzima, and Internap?
Lastly, how does Qwest bandwidth rate among the other carriers?
