Shady Lil Practice At Softlayer
Sep 21, 2009
Well I was quite surprised to see this but basically if you cancel a server at softlayer unless you go through after the fact and cancel all the associated orphans like ip ranges, vpn users, etc that was allocated to the servers you cancelled they will still bill you for this.
I have seen the notice on the cancellation process and I have always stated in cancellation ticket to cancel this server and all addons for it.
I find out today that I have been paying for at least 20 ip ranges, 15 vpn users and even a cpanel license for servers that I have cancelled months ago. How insane is that?
When a person cancels a server, they expect that server and all addons such as ip ranges, licenses and vpn users that was allocated to those servers to be cancelled as well. This seems not to be the case at softlayer and this is nothing more then an obvious way to bill clients for things that they are not even using or really cannot even use.
I guess that is what someone can expect from some wal-mart style network but I think this is simply an unethical practice. Most people would assume all items associated with a cancelled server would be cancelled with the server, that is what softlayer depends on .
IN the end I guess it is my fault for not reading "the fine print" but Im about sick of this fine print crap where hosts can outright decieve you and rip you off and then later point out some fine print validating their reasons.
Has anyone else had this issue at softlayer?
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Dec 20, 2008
I've had an account with them for a while, needed to close the account, and am having to hassle them constantly for any response. I spoke with their Billing support team and they were helpful and said they would close it - only they suddenly stopped replying - and three months later it's not closed and i'm still getting invoices.
- Has anyone else had a problem closing an account with them?
- Does anyone have any tips to get them to finish the job they started? (It can't be THAT hard to cancel an account!)
The fact i'm being blatantly ignored by Billing and fobbed off when I send tickets to normal support ("we will talk to a billing manager" etc - which i'm now thinking is maybe BS?) is making me paranoid they've turned from a proper company into somekind of scam. The 'unpaid inovices' total keeps going up (with the insult of additional late fees) what happens if I just don't pay? Considering I contacted them to cancel months ago AND I got a response promising me it would be done!
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Jun 2, 2008
Last September, I subscribed to a VPS from buyavps.com to test how WHM and some of our accounts behave if we upgrade from PHP 4 to PHP 5. This was concluded towards early November, but I left the VPS subscription active, thinking later on we might have other cases where I would rather test a server-wide software upgrade in a VPS first.
A couple of months later, in January of this year, I indeed had such a case where I wanted to test something again. After a couple of unsuccessful tries, I opened a support ticket about accessing my VPS, thinking maybe I wrote down a wrong password or whatever.
Imagine my surprise when support told me my VPS account does not exist and asked me whether I have been actually paying for one, then asked me for a transaction ID. This although I had an active subscription at that time, paying monthly for the service.
Actually the subscription just billed again right while support sat on the ticket, writing me this response. After that shock, I went and cancelled the subscription, but I already lost another month's payment. I demanded the money back for a period I was charged for at a time when there was clearly no service any more, plus the period before at the end of which there clearly was no service any more either. Support said they'll forward my ticket to billing, and that was the last I heard.
Still having faith in the company, since it was to my knowledge Tina's company (she was the reason I went with buyavps.com in the first place), I decided to wait for a few weeks for the refund.
After that came months where I forgot about this issue, recently noticing only the e-mails again. Still having faith in Tina, I sent her a PM here on WHT so that she could look into this issue. To which she answered that she sold her part in buyavps.com to another company months ago.
At that point, I sent off another support ticket to buyavps.com, where several people asked the same questions all over again, just to say in the end I am not entitled to any kind of refund. At which I got pissed and told them they stole my money and do I really have to come to a public place to tell the story?
Well here I am - knowing the industry I am not very surprised at how they took my money and provided no service for it. For this, they deserve to be named here and serve as a warning for potential new customers of buyavps.com.
However, I am extremely disappointed in how you can't trust even prominent people of this industry with good reputation any more. I signed up to this service because I trusted the person who ran the company, all payments went to her Paypal account, and at the time this whole fiasco happened she was still (part-)owner of the company. Shrugging it all off is not what I expected.
p.s. I have a number of e-mails for proof and further details if desired, just wanted to keep the size of this post within limits.
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Anyone have any input on best practice for running vps servers it seems that there is a grey area when it comes to different configurations.
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way to go about running a vps server and or servers and recomended configurations for each type.
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Our colo has two carriers, call them A and B. I have discovered the colo provider is round-robining traffic out it's two carriers on a per-packet basis, not per flow.
Assume we want to reach destination IP a.b.c.d.
%> traceroute -q5 a.b.c.d
Results show that at the hop leaving the colo's border router, some packets transit Carrier A and some Carrier B, to the same destination IP, during the same traceroute.
Is this a routing Best Practice, or am I correct in thinking this is the Lazy Man's way of load balancing across multiple circuits, multiple carriers? BGP route selection does not seem to apply here (i.e., either Carrier A or Carrier B but not both at the same time).
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Do you access your server remotely (RDC) and administer your website or do you use SSL from any machine?
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I am currently web hosting my own site (at home) through port 8000 using firewire. My activation is by invitation only. This means that I have to manually activate you before you can post on my board. I do this for security reasons and plus there is no need to invite the outside world. However, anyone on the outside world can view the site. The url is in the form of xyz.abc.uvw.rst:8000/forums/ where xyz.abc.uvw.rst is the IP address and 8000 of course is the port.
In order to make my site more secure, I have also changed the admin dir so that you can't just url to .../forums/admin/ and then start typing in passwords.
In addition, the version of my board is hidden and html is disabled.
I believe that I am secure but I would like to know other best web hosting practice methodologies that will allow me to be even more secure, particularly in the case where I am hosting on my own computer in my own home.
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I have a ethics and legality scenario I would like to pose here. This is to be considered a fictional scenario and any similarity to any real company or person is unintentional.
COMPANY X has colo racks in DATACENTER and hosts a client named COMPANY Y. COMPANY Y also hosts 50 small web sites on cpanel and 40 VPS servers on their linux VPS node in exchange for a discount or other compensation. During the month of may and COMPANY Y's bill raises from being 3000 past due to over 12000 past due to various reasons including purchasing of hds from the DATACENTER using COMPANY X's account, tech work dont by DATACENTER for COMPANY Y needed also billed to COMPANY X's account, as well as BW and rack costs. Seeing this alrming bill by the end of May COMPANY X begins putting pressure on COMPANY Y to pay some invoices as no payments were received during the entire month of may and COMPANY X is also having a hard time paying DATACENTER due to not being paid by COMPANY Y but makes efforts to pay 25% of the outstanding bill in June.
Near the end of june COMPANY X has had enough and arrives at the datacetner to attempt to move theritr clients off COMPANY Ys hardware so they can suspend service of COMPANY Y completely. On the visit COMPANY X brings 2 new servers in and begins moving clients of their over and COMPANY X notices this action and begins to suspend and remove access to all of COMPANY X's clients. COMPANY X then decided to power off the boxes of COMPANY Y and removes drives containing COMPANY X customer data for offline recovery. and because they beleived the DATACENTER might be untrustworthy enough to release hardware fromt heir rakcs without their permission. The drives were for as much colatteral purposes as for recoverying customer data. They then pack the drives in boxes and a bag and leave the datacenter having spent nearly 20 hours working and head on a long trip home and signs out of the data center in front of various techs holding the server parts and tools.
Upon arriving back to their office/home
They were informed that the removal of the HDs was not allowed byt he datacenter because the account was past due and it was discovered that several drives with cOMPANY X's clients were left in the datacenter which COMPANY X now wishes they had remembered to get. DATACENTER is furious and demands the account be paid in full by a fixed time or the entire colo will be cut power. COMPANY X scrambles to find others to help them and another major client who has alot at risk decides to help and a payment of $7160 is made to DATACETNER but it came in a few minutes past the deadline. DATACETNER had suspended servuce, and cut power but stated they wil return service shortly. Shortly after this it is discovered that several servers belonging to COMANY X and two other companies who were supsended in the same day were not int he rack anymore. DATACENTER accout rep responds with the following message in ICQ/AIM .....
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It makes sense to me to pay 2x hosting costs so I can have a site mirrored in case the main site goes offline, then I can just switch the dns to the new host. The trick is how can I automatically keep Site B mirrored as part of site A. Using Plesk Backup doesn't seem practical as it's not automatic. Does Cpanel have a site mirroring feature?
Would something like rsync work? Doesn't this require shell access? I'm looking for best practices to be able to mirror Site A to Site B in an automatic method..
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My plan is to install FreeBSD 6 and use Gmirror to establish a raid-1 "soft" mirror.
Advantages: Entire drive is mirrored including the OS. Drives can be remotely inserted or removed from the mirror set using a console command so its possible to uncouple the mirror and perform software updates on a single drive then re-establish the mirror only after the updates have proved successful.
Disadvantages: Lower I/O than hardware solution (not a problem for me) others???
I rarely see people consider software raid for a tight-budget server and I am wondering why? Could it be that other OS's dont have a solution as good as gmirror? Or is it just that crappy soft-raid in the past has left a bitter taste in admins mouths? Or perhaps admins need the extra I/O of hardware?
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ThePlanet / Softlayer
Does anyone know of any hosters that are reselling servers from The Planet or Softlayer (or anyone else is Texas that I've missed)
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If I have to choose between ThePlanet and SoftLayer for a dedicated server which will be used for Shared Hosting, which one should I choose?
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Mar 12, 2008
My clients in LA - those on AT&T and Time Warner in paticular - are having bad download speeds from my server with Softlayer. Anyone else having similar trouble? Clients who normally get 500-700kb/s down are getting < 50 kb/s down, even early in the morning when the total traffic on my 100mbps port is under 1.5mbps.
Basically, east coast is fine, and anyone with a T1 in LA is fine as well - it's just DSL and Cable modems in LA that are screwed up. In fact, one of our are clients is using Apple Remote Desktop to connect to a remote client with a T1; it's faster to through Time Warner, then VPN to Verizon, and then connect Softlayer and back again than to go directly from Time Warner to Softlayer, which is really weird.
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Aug 14, 2008
i want to know if softlayer will fit my needs?
1) i want to use svn
2) i will only host about 3 small-ish sites with images and maybe one cast-control.
has any used them and what is there up-time like.
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Jun 13, 2008
I was thinking of buying a new server from SoftLayer When this company called WebNX.com happened to catch my attention.
I did a search of WHT but could not find much about WebNX. I also went to their site (but not much info is published there like SLAs, support fee etc etc...
However, the custom quite they sent me sounds quite reasonable compared to softlayer.
Anyone who can share experience of hosting with webnx? or has more info webnx.com and can share their views will be nice.
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Apr 5, 2009
We push out a lot of data from our customers a month. So i was wondering which one is better? ThePlanet or Softlayer?
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Dec 7, 2008
HiVelocity VS. SoftLayer
Which one is better overall?
Uptime, support, pricing, etc.
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Sep 9, 2008
A Xeon Quad Core 2.4 Ghz, 4 GB Ram and 2x250 GB HDD, cpanel/Fantastico and 10 MBPS shared Port,
With softlayer current promotion, I get it for 224$
With Burst.net reseller - I get it for $180
So is paying $44 more and going with softlayer worth? or is Burst network as good as softlayer?
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Nov 13, 2008
For those who are still under the softlayer hacker abuse please note you will need to re-load your server. We got hit a 2nd time after thinking everything was clean. Anyhow, for those who got hit again, my team and another from WHT - forgot who made the original clean.php script...
anyhow, here is a tool to clean all the data for all of your users:Copy fixit.pl and clean4.php to a directory. IE: /home/yourusername
Change username "changeme" in fixit.pl to the username where clean4.php is located
execute fixit.pl: IE: perl fixit.pl. If you want to test this on one user uncomment the die statement. When you are ready to do the entire server comment the die statement.
fixit.pl (perl script) Author: Robert Saylor
#!/usr/bin/perl$config{'basepath'} .....
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Mar 13, 2008
In general, which of those is the best in hardware and bandiwdth, and in support?
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Mar 24, 2009
We have being Softlayer for few month now since around 09/04/2008.
We got the server at first for high bandwith client until he could get is server upgrade completed as he colo's is server elsewhere need a temp solution we no longer host is site but still kept server for other clients after all SL did for us we would never think of leaving.
We deployed site and then we ran into problems server seemed become unresponsive after a few hours.
We explained this to SL and did chasis swap and got us back online but problem remained and did not charge for os reload or chasis and even upgrade connection to make sure we not bottlenecks stoping from serving content.
After they started looking apache and using information for original server config had at other datacenter and found solutions that solved issues.
Billing dept and support dept as being of great assistance when needed them.
Overall we very pleased with SL and would not look elsewhere for quality provider and pricing for what we are getting is very reasonable.
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What are your overall comparisons -- HiVelocity vs. Softlayer.
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Oct 7, 2009
I thinking to buy new servers and now I checking offers on softlayer and dedicatedNow and look like prices on softlayer are higher and also dedicatedNow offer is for managed servers...
In this moment I have few servers with softlayer and all working fine but price...I don`t know nothing about DedicatedNow...what you think SL vs DN?
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May 30, 2009
if someone who has used both the providers could help me decide between the two.
I need an unmanaged server and location for both is fine for me.
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Jul 13, 2008
As those who read my previous thread (or helped me on it -- thank you!) know, I've been looking at upgrading to a new server at the Planet. I've been very happy with the service at the Planet. I ended up with a quote on a Xeon 3040/2 GB of RAM/2x 250 GB hard disks/RHEL 5/10 usable IPs/cPanel+Fantastico and the Planet's standard "built in support" monitoring, escalation procedure, automated OS updates, etc. for $174/month and no setup.
That sounds decent enough, but I keep reading this forum and seeing good things about SoftLayer over and above the Planet. Should I consider moving? Anyone care to say what is better about SoftLayer? Anyone know of any cons to moving? I was inclined not to really shop around since the Planet has been good, but I don't want to be foolish and I by the sounds of some of those reviewing them, it sounds like SoftLayer's support is worth switching for.
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I opted for Washington since it seemed a good contrasting location to the servers in texas.
I'm trying to rsync-over about 700GB of data from 2 servers located in Houston TX, ThePlanet.
My SoftLayer server has a 100mbps port, same with the source servers.
It's been at least 6-7 hours since I started the rsync commands. But since then it has only transferred a measly 35GB. Perhaps I'm not doing the maths so great here, but isn't this quite a poor transfer rate?
I wondered if any of you have a server at Washington SL, and had any similar problems with transfer speed in general. Should I have gone for Seattle instead?
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Am I wrong on either of these? Because SingleHop's network, at least from here, is quite fast.
My question is whether MidPhase.com stuff gets hosted in SingleHop's DC or is it in SoftLayer's DCs? Both are great, but SL isn't in Chicago...and SIngleHop is.
If MidPhase shared/dedi/PS isn't in SingleHop's DC, what's a good host for shared/VPS that is? Yes, SoftLayer is awesome, especially with ~25 ms pings from here bd. 35 to SingleHop...but just researching here...
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