"Semi-managed" Server Versus Geek-on-retainer
May 1, 2008
I'm a (mostly SQL and Java) programmer by trade, I have an MSc. in Computer Engineering, and for almost 8 years I have done web and database programming on the side. I have a site (www.the-athenaeum.org) that has had its ups and downs. Sometimes I find lots of time to work on it, other times life intrudes and I neglect it. It gets a few hundred thousand hits and maybe 30,000 unique visitors per month (or so).
Long ago, I decided (for reasons of security and some idea of the nobility of open source) to go with FreeBSD/PostgreSQL. I went from crappy no-name hosting to CanHost to LayeredTech, teaching myself the OS and db from scratch in little scraps of free time. In general I have always gone the cheap route by necessity. I'm determined to keep my site nonprofit, so I've never had banner ads or Google ads. Over time as I made more $ in my "real job" I could afford slightly better servers.
These days I could probably spare $200 per month out of my own pocket to subsidize my hobby. We have a new partner who may provide another $200 per month or so.
I have come to a point where my lack of knowledge is probably holding us back. It's a one-man operation from a web/db-programming standpoint, and I am finding myself using too much time on anti-hacker and server-optimization activities. The server runs slowly. People keep spamming my PunBB install. I am trying to keep the server up and responsive instead of adding new features and finding new users. My cheapness is biting me in the butt. I think if the server ran smoothly when people came, and if I could spend my time adding the cool features I dream of, we would double or triple our user base pretty easily.
I suppose you could sum up my operation by saying that I have a web site that "does cool stuff ... slowly."
I figure I have two possible routes:
1. Pay for a "semi-managed" server or a managed server: By this I mean having someone set up the OS to be very solid, someone who can look into why the server is so sluggish and fix it. Someone who can give me an SLA that deals with spamming/hacking. I don't care about admin. panels and the like, but I do need a solid, fast server, or at least one that performs up to its basic potential.
2. Have a "geek on retainer": Instead of that, pay for targeted services. Pay a FreeBSD guy to do the initial server setup. Pay an Apache/PostgreSQL guru(s) to get the basic infrastructure in place. Pay a PunBB mod developer to harden the forums. Bring them back in when specific problems come up.
I've learned a lot over the last few years, but I will never become the expert that is needed to fully grok the sys. admin. tasks.
Which route would you recommend, or is there a better way? How do I price out these services?
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May 9, 2009
how the hosting provider would back me up in setting up my vps, support in additional issues etc. with regards each of the above topics.
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Mar 29, 2009
I am considering moving to dedicated server, what are risks with self managed server compared to managed?
Managed servers are very expensive for my needs.
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Sep 10, 2007
As you can see I have questions. Until I saw and read some posts on this forum I thought I had some answers...
I was looking into a VPS with 1and1.com
Seemed to have good stats, and is a fairly large company. The plans were nice, was going to start off on their VPS 2 package with 20GB/2000GB, 245MB ram burstable to 512MB. All was well, since their packages seemed to offer the most for the least, if you know what I mean. I also liked the ability to upgrade the package without interrupting my service.
I read some posts here, and looked into a VPS even more, and now Im not so sure about 1and1.com or the thought of even having a VPS.
I have no experience with a VPS. So running it would be all new. Im not computer illiterate and I have taken many network and network operating classes. So I have some experience with command line linux. I have messed with some IIS, and a LAMP. On the other side, it scares me that I could f**k something up and bring down the site.
Now, for my needs. The site when launched has a predicted demand of a few thousand users over the course of a month. This is a business site, so downtime, and a shared environment don't seem to make sense. The site is very mysql intensive, at least by my standards. Most pages have 3-6 queries, main pages can have 10+, and most user actions include a few queries. The most load I could fathom would be all 1,000-4,000 users hitting the site hard for 3-4 days. This is now, next 'season' could be twice that load. In between seasons seasons we were going back to shared until the site starts making more money, and we fill in the off season with some other money making service.
The reason why I thought VPS was budget, and just we wouldnt want to be on a shared hosting plan, and somehow our demand was larger than expected and they shut down the site. So do yall think that a VPS is the right way to go? We have the budget to go VPS($40-$80) a month for 3 months, before going back to shared.
About 1and1.com: I read a few threads, some recent, that seem to say they oversell even a VPS. This doesnt make much sense since its supposed to gaurente those resources to me. The company is so big, but even these few posts and accusations are keeping me from commiting. My main concern is that between when we launch it and when our first spike of demand hits is only 2 months, so I dont want to learn that 1and1.com sucks firsthand.
Ive seen other hosts that this forum sponsers, so I assume there is *some* prefernce to use them, but like jaguarpc.com VPS plans seem to be a little more $ for a little less (storage and bandwidth) when comparing to other deals.
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Jul 31, 2009
if anyone has insight or comments about Fusion-io's ioDRIVE versus their ioXtreme drive. If you do, I would appreciate reading your thoughts on this.
The ioDRIVE is their enterprise product while the ioXtreme drive is being marketed to the consumer market. Both seem to be extremely impressive products.
My main question is whether or not an ioXtreme is suitable for web server use. The ioDRIVE is made for server use and is much more expensive, so is not only a bit less attractive because of the cost but also a bit out of my reach, financially, at this point.
So, what do you think about the ioXtreme being used in a web server? Any reason that this might be a bad idea?
Would Intel's X25-E be a better solution than the ioXtreme? The ioXtreme is PCIe based & the X25-E is a SATA drive.
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Mar 12, 2008
I paid for a server with GeekRack.net 8 days ago, and have seen no sign of the server being setup.
Now I know they are just a Burst.net reseller, they don't own or order the hardware or even have physical access to the servers, they simply get 25% off Burst.net and just resell their servers. That said you'd expect at least some sort of notification on when the server would be ready by, especially by now, right?
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Apr 22, 2007
I have a 'complex' situation, if you will. The site I run has free access to a variety of server hardware. Sitting under my desk, I currently have:
1. Dual Xeon 5345 (quad core, 2.33GHz) with 8GB memory, mid-tower
2. Quad Opteron 8xx (dual core, 2.2GHz) with 16GB memory, 3U
3. Dual Xeon 5160 (dual core, 3GHz) with 4GB memory, mid-tower
We also have the appropriate licenses for Windows and MSSQL (which is what we use).
I am currently on a shared host that we'd like to move away from. We would like to have the ability to run both a production and a development environment. We'd also like to be able to offer web-hosting to a couple of other small sites...
So what I'm wondering is whether it really makes sense to colo. Honestly, it seems like we'll get a lot more bang for our buck versus dedicated. Most dedicated servers that are under 200 could only be described as sad and pathetic. However, they may be enough for what we need....
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Dec 19, 2008
I run an on-line forum on a shared hosting account, which I'm beginning to outgrow.
Last month's statistics shows an approximate average of 40 concurrent users, approximately 200 megabytes of used hard drive space, and approximately 15 gigabytes of used data traffic. I like my current web host, but their next step up is a dedicated server account. From what I understand, a dedicated server account requires extensive UNIX knowledge, which I lack.
I'm thinking what I would like is a semi-dedicated server, which from what I understand is basically a shared hosting account with larger accomodations. I'd like something that runs some varient of the UNIX operating system, and gives my on-line forum a decent amount of room to grow if necessary. Budget wise, I'm willing to pay up to $80 per month.
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Jun 26, 2008
For people who don't need the full power of a dedicated server yet wish to avoid shared hosting and VPS, it seems attractive to cost-share a dedicated server with others. Does anyone have any advice for how to find suitable partners?
In our case, we're leaving LayeredTech because our dedicated server rose from $75 to $111 via two recent price increases. We can get a much faster server for less money.
However, our CPU load is under 20% on our old Layered Tech Sempron 2600 server. This makes dedicated a bit overkill.
You may be thinking "become a reseller". However, I'd like to avoid getting into that business. So I'd appreciate any advice on how to find 1 or 2 people who would also like a semi-dedicated server.
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Jul 16, 2008
When a colo vendor can consider themselves as a managed colocation provider? What make them different than *normal* colo service?
If you need a managed colo, why not go with managed server? With managed server, your vendor will take care about the server health, including software and hardware too
(I am mentioning to fully managed server vendors like Rackspace, don't tell me cheap managed servers)
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May 29, 2009
I have a lot of experience with VPSs and recently have been working with dedicated servers but my partner and I are going to be providing VPSs and my main concern is securing the node the VPSs will be on. Would I secure it like a normal dedicated server?
I'm worried that if I secured it like I would my dedicated servers it would affect the VPS clients hosted on there. Any assistance is appreciated, even if it's just a recommendation for a management company or single user who could assist us.
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Apr 3, 2009
Almost all dedicated server providers offer windows 2003 server free. Any suggestions to choose one way or the other?
Any major limitations either of these cases? I never worked on linux before, have basic experience on unix though.
Please compare reliability, resources (if problems) in terms of cost, extendability, etc.,
Does cPanel support windows?
I am thinking of limestone 8gb Q9300 server (64bit) with their 30% off deal.
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May 14, 2009
I'm usually not to active in these parts of the forums, but I try to contribute anytime I can. Today, I will be reviewing Geek Storage now that all of my content has been removed from their servers and placed on another web host.
Intially: (Jan 15 '09)
The signup process was pretty easy, as it should be with all web hosts. I got a pretty good deal with a coupon and paid for the entire year. I didn't really see any bad reviews about Geek Storage at the time and was lured in by their "Powered by Geek" advertising.
Support: 8 - I honestly think I submitted one ticket, and it was to thank Jay for such the great deal and to let him know if he needed help with any design aspects of the website, I'd help.
Speed: 8 - My website performed well, much better than my other web host, so I assumed the LiteSpeed was doing it.
Now: (End of April - Now)
Support: 2 & Speed: 0 - I'm honestly an easy client for web hosts, I rarely submit tickets and when I do I would like them answered. The first ticket I submitted was regarding the website speed on their Zeus server. I submitted a ticket to the help desk that went unanswered for basically over a day (w/ High Priority).
So, I looked for the Live Chat to find out they don't offer any type of Live Support...
I then proceeded to PM Jay on WHT, and didn't receive a reply for another 2 days.
He told me that they would be receiving a new server and new hardware to amp up the servers and asked if I wanted to wait for the new one, or be moved to another server they own. I told him to move me somewhere immediately since my clients couldn't even order through my cart without running into Timeout screens or blank pages. Now, two weeks later, I'm still on Zeus. I went into the community forums and noticed a 50+ post thread about the performance of Zeus and how nothing was being done to the problem.
Overall:
I think Geek Storage is lucky they have such a good design promising "You're in Geek Hands," because that's what lured me in. I'm out about 7 months of payment, but money is the least of my worries... I just want my website to be fast and accessible!
I really think these guys need to invest in hiring more people and purchasing better servers before all their clients are gone with many bad reviews about them.
I switched to a new web host and it's already been a major change. The speed is incredible because their servers aren't overcrowded... And it was a major plus seeing someone on Live Support at 1am to help me immediately with my SSL Cert.
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May 3, 2008
I was looking over the employers offers section and found this:
[url]
After reading a reply I found out that this company has ripped Geek Rack's website design [url]compared to [url]. The guy claims that the site isn't ripped.
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Dec 17, 2008
I've gone Geek! I just switched to GeekStorage hosting a little less than a month ago, because my previous host was just ridiculous. I won't get into it because I could go on for days about my old host, it was just plain horrible. I'm not really one to mudsling or drag people's livelihoods down, so I'll just let them remain anonymous. Alot of the problems probably weren't in their control but they were numerous. That's enough of that though, because I've packed my bags for greener pastures and don't even want to look back.
Anyways, so I've been at Geek Storage for about a month now, on a shared hosting plan.
In this time I must say that I have been quite impressed with them. I've been through a number of hosts throughout the years, and have been studying the hosting game for years now. So since I know what to look for, I shopped around here at WHT for a couple of months and was drawn to Geekstorage. It was not an easy decision to make, finding a host, I'm very very picky.
First of all, I've fallen in love with the Litespeed http server. I still have all the benefits of apache, such as mod_rewrite, and any other apache modules. With Litespeed, PHP code executes blazingly fast. When I first benchmarked a Zend framework bootstrap on the servers, I fell in love. And once it was cached in memory... well let's just say it was like the time when Bruce Willis was dead at the end of the Sixth Sense. This is coming from a HUGE performance stickler... I am rarely impressed by these kinds of things. Some bigger MySQL queries that took ~0.148s to execute on my old host don't even have a benchmark reading on these servers (they round off to 0.00001s). I don't know why there was such a remarkable difference, perhaps just more memory available on the server compared to my last host.
The servers have Ruby/RoR installed, as well as Python. I am a really big fan of Python, in fact I believe it will take over the scripting world in the coming years, becoming more popular than PHP and Perl. So this was a selling point to me, since I want to get into Django development more.
Another selling point to me was PostgreSQL databases. Though I am using MySQL for all my current projects, the scope of some bigger projects I am looking into getting off the ground in the future (when I can only find the time...), require a more robust database system. What's funny is when I first signed up for GeekStorage the PostgreSQL database connection settings weren't working correctly, and PhpPgAdmin (the postgreSQL phpmyadmin equivalent) was not working. I sent in a support ticket and the problem was solved almost immediately. I think I may be the first client to use the pgsql databases!
I guess I should probably put a link to one of my sites here. This one's kinda greyhat, in fact I wouldn't even reccomend going to it because I've shoved an barrage of ads onto the page. The myspace crowd seems to love them. Here's the URL anyways:
[url]. Coming soon: Popups and peel away ads,
I haven't experienced any downtime, any slow page loads, or any other problems of that nature. I hope it continues to be that way, and as for now I am very happy with my decision. The best part to me, is it seems I have found people just as geeky about technology as me. Everything is the current version, Ruby, pgsql, mysql, PHP, etc. All up to date and ready to go. I love staying current on technology, and the Geeks really seem to know their stuff.
And before you ask I'll be sure to give the 3-month, 6-month, and 1-year reviews in due time Geek Storage Web Hosting
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Mar 27, 2009
My earlier one month review of Geek Storage got deleted with the whole WHT-take over thing, and I figured it was about time to write a new review anyways.
GeekStorage has been a dream host for me. I have a developer package with them. I recently upgraded my account to unlimited domains, because I am slowly migrating all my domains and sites over to them.
I am paying ~$7 a month for a ton of features. I could actually get it cheaper, if I paid more in advance. Right now I'm paying quarterly, but after this next session I will most likely switch to yearly and get an even better rate. I'm getting 10GB storage, 250GB bandwith (the next upgrade would be $8/month for 25GB/500GB). I get unlimited domains, MySQL, PostGreSQL, blah blah blah. So it's feature rich, very affordable, and it's not overselling.
The features outweigh anything I've seen. The setup for PHP performance sticklers like me is incredible. The Litespeed web server is the way to go in my opinion. It has the ability to use apache modules, so that is great for easily modifying rewrite rules and whatnot with an .htaccess. Litespeed is so incredibly fast, I'll never settle for less again. Hopefully, as long as GeekStorage keeps up it's act I won't have to!
If you ever want an Apache or CGI module or anything of that nature, all you have to do is submit a ticket and they'll install it! I've never seen such a personal host where you can make requests like that.
GeekStorage also has PostgreSQL, a major selling point for me. However, nobody else on the server uses it. I say this because my only ticket so far was when I first joined GeekStorage and PhpPgAdmin (postgresql phpmyadmin equivalent) did not connect correctly. I put in a ticket and they fixed it right away.
Downtime? I haven't had any. I'm not sure how to track that, but I have some moderate volume niche sites that are constantly getting organic traffic. I have consistently made sales through these sites and have not noticed any drop-off. Everytime I go any of my sites hosted at GeekStorage, they load up quickly. I'm at ease of not having to worry about my sites going down.
Most of my sites are kinda greyhat, so I don't like to post them. So here's one you can use to confirm I have hosting with GeekStorage: [url]
So their website is: GeekStorage.com. If you want fast shared hosting, tons of features, lots of space and bandwith without overselling, and people who know what the *@)# they're doing, and all at an awesome price-- then I can recommend GeekStorage. They've been a class act so far
If you have any questions or something I didn't get to I'll try to keep an eye on this thread, otherwise you can PM me.
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May 26, 2009
With Windows 2003 server, there are comprehensive lists of what you need to do to secure the server before use. For Windows 2008, I wonder is there such a list? Or is it true as what I heard from Microsoft that it is already secured out of the box?
Anyone has any resources on the hardening or preparation of 2008 for server hosting uses?
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Aug 10, 2008
I want a host for a site running gallery2 with about 2.000 UV + 20.000 page views daily.
Just got suspended because high load in shared hosting.
Now one VPS with 256MB of RAM can running good with my site.
But in next time, may the visitors still increasing.
In this case, semi-dedicated or VPS is better for me?
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Aug 3, 2007
I am in the middle of rebuilding a website for a large magazine. The site currently averages 2 million hits a month, and uses about 10 GB of bandwidth a month. The site has always been on a shared Windows hosting plan, however I feel it has outgrown the shared environment.
The company can't afford a dedicated server, so I am looking for a "middle ground". Now that the company is doing e-mail marketing to an opt-in list of over 50,000 people, and a shared environment simply can't handle that kind of mailing volume.
I am not picky about hosting platform, though I am more familiar with Linux, cPanel, etc. I also have no clue about server management, so I'd need a managed solution.
My question, is what is the difference between semi-dedicated and VPS, and which would you suggest for my needs? Also, can anyone suggest a reliable host that offers fully managed services for less than $100/month?
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Aug 2, 2005
I have never worked with an adult oriented website before, so I really don't know a whole lot about the arena. I might be making a web site for an exotic dancer that may contain explicit photographs (no sex, topless images probably). This is more of a homepage, not a pay for membership adult site.
Anyways, whenever I have signed on with a host in the past they all seem to have the uniform user agreement that states no pornography, warez, etc. Would this type of thing be considered a pornographic web site? If so, are there any hosts that provide affordable shared web hosting that allow this, or would I be forced to get a dedicated server or something?
Just trying to get a feel for how much of a pain in the butt this could end up being, I might decide not to do it if this will require some expensive specialty hosting. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Jun 3, 2008
I am just wondering if it is possible to host streaming video files on semi-dedicated servers?
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Aug 30, 2009
In a few months I will be searching for a semi-dedicated plan, I'm going to spend around $230 a year. I would go with my current host on semi-dedicated but their plan is about 2 to 3 times over my price.
My site is currently on a shared hosting plan is doing fairly well but I'm also looking to expand the site and therefore I will need a semi-dedicated plan.
I'm not familiar with semi-dedicated since I have always used shared hosting and have a few sites on different shared hosting plans. So any tips you can provide when searching for a semi-dedicated or questions I can ask would really be helpful.
Now I know there is a offers section here on WHT but I'm not looking for offers, I'm looking for recommendations from users who have used a semi-dedicated plan that's around my price range. I'm not looking for dedicated, nor VPS, just semi-dedicated. I will be purchasing a semi-dedicated plan around November of this year.
I'm no newb to shared hosting but I am new and unfamiliar with what to look for in semi-dedicated hosting plans.
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Oct 9, 2009
What is the difference between VPS and semi-dedicated server? Which one is better?
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Feb 15, 2009
I am currently using hostmonster.com and I've noticed that my service is starting to go downhill. The site is taking longer to load and I've read that in some cases they will terminate your account without notifications.
I am a photographer and my website will be growing in the future. I am looking for a site that I can host my high res images and maybe video streaming for my wedding events. Should I go with a semi-dedicated server?
What are some cheap reputable semi-dedicated hosting companies?
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Jun 1, 2008
I just found out there is such a thing as semi dedicated hosting. I think this will work well for me. I was hoping that someone out there could recommend a company that is reliable and honest, has good support, does not oversell, and finally, a company that is reasonably priced. Even better, it would be great if the hosting company was one that could really work with me to determine my needs as I go along as I am extremely limited in any techincal knowledge. I really don't understand 99% of the verbage that is associated with all this stuff and if left to my own devices, I really would not be able to convey my needs or even know what my needs are. I feel lucky if I even know of 1 or 2 questions to ask.
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Sep 7, 2008
What are the advantages of a semi dedicated account over a shared account.
So far it just looks like a bigger shared account (though comparable when you compare it to an oversold shared account). It's more expensive though so does it relieve some of the load issues (and CPU/memory limits) placed in a shared account?
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Apr 21, 2008
choosing an appropriate webhost solution. I'll be launching a site that will initially serve around 3000-4000 pageviews per day (say 2000-2500 uniques per day) but will go well over 10-15K eventually. Pretty small based on that metric. With just PHP (no dynamic content), my shared host has handled that fairly well for an existing site.
However, this site will need to track search queries...so, each page will do a simple MySQL lookup and either upgrade a count or do a small insert. Again, very simple stuff but not sure how this affect performance and CPU load. Still, I know my provider has pretty low thresholds on max db concurrent connections and they've loaded my server with lots of other sites recently. I'd rather not take a chance after launching.
Based on that simple operation, would you recommend moving to a managed VPS or possibly a semi-dedicated server? The traffic still sounds low but I'm just not sure of the mysql effect
If VPS, it seems like 512M memory should be the minimum for this setup or could I get away with something smaller, like 384M/256M?
I've read good things about MediaLayer's "application hosting" but it still sounds just like shared hosting.
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Jun 5, 2008
In the future I'll be purchasing a few web servers. I was looking at The Planet because they're known to be the best, however I recently decided to go with SeeksAdmin for server administration and management as well as their outsourced support for my clients.
Question is:
Would it be a waste or wise to purchase managed servers from The Planet if I am using SeeksAdmin Management/Support services? If a waste, is there a centrally based US datacenter that can match the superiority of The Planet for only root level access servers with no management?
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Oct 29, 2009
So i am planning to move my clients from one server to another and the problem is i want to minimize downtime or have absolutely no downtime. On top of all of this, i plan on moving the server again as i get more money to do it.
Anyways, here is the current situation....
mydomain.com has the following nameservers
ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com
My clients are also using ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com
I wanted to move my DNS to a managed DNS solution somewhere else and then do the change of servers. Would this be the right way to go about things? Or am i forgetting something? Would it be frowned upon the the hosting industry to have my DNS hosted somewhere else?
And last, if i do what im trying to do, how do i do it? lol.
I need to keep ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com still active.
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Jul 1, 2008
I'm trying to find a reliable and established host (not a junior company that may close anytime) that offers a low end managed dedicated server.
My minimum requirements:
2.0 Ghz processor
1 GB RAM
100 GB disk
250 GB bandwidth
Managed
Good support
Reliable and established host
I can't go with a VPS because the site I'm developing is growing very fast, there are some times where CPU usage is a bit too high. My current VPS host has asked me to move that site to a dedicated server, and they are right. With more CPU and memory the site will be alright, but I don't want to risk having to move again, so no VPS this time.
The reason I'm looking for a low end server is that the site is not self-supporting yet, so I can't afford to pay more that 150$/month.
If money wasn't an issue, I would already have picked Liquidweb, their current special allowed me to build a nice server for only 229$/month, but I'm not ready to commit that kind of money yet.
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Aug 25, 2008
I am setting up a website that may generate a lot of traffic, though it is just starting out.
Since I'm not sure how easy the migration from a VPS to dedicated server will be (yes, I'm a newbie to all this!), I want to go with a dedicated server.
Since the site is going to be a revenue generator, I don't want to go low on quality - but don't want to spend over $150 pm.
I'm looking for something managed/with guaranteed uptime. A good bandwidth.
I will be running a MySQL database as well as the LAMP based website on the same server initially (later I may separate the database).
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