Vps- Managed- Semi-dedicated- Large Or Small Company
Sep 10, 2007
As you can see I have questions. Until I saw and read some posts on this forum I thought I had some answers...
I was looking into a VPS with 1and1.com
Seemed to have good stats, and is a fairly large company. The plans were nice, was going to start off on their VPS 2 package with 20GB/2000GB, 245MB ram burstable to 512MB. All was well, since their packages seemed to offer the most for the least, if you know what I mean. I also liked the ability to upgrade the package without interrupting my service.
I read some posts here, and looked into a VPS even more, and now Im not so sure about 1and1.com or the thought of even having a VPS.
I have no experience with a VPS. So running it would be all new. Im not computer illiterate and I have taken many network and network operating classes. So I have some experience with command line linux. I have messed with some IIS, and a LAMP. On the other side, it scares me that I could f**k something up and bring down the site.
Now, for my needs. The site when launched has a predicted demand of a few thousand users over the course of a month. This is a business site, so downtime, and a shared environment don't seem to make sense. The site is very mysql intensive, at least by my standards. Most pages have 3-6 queries, main pages can have 10+, and most user actions include a few queries. The most load I could fathom would be all 1,000-4,000 users hitting the site hard for 3-4 days. This is now, next 'season' could be twice that load. In between seasons seasons we were going back to shared until the site starts making more money, and we fill in the off season with some other money making service.
The reason why I thought VPS was budget, and just we wouldnt want to be on a shared hosting plan, and somehow our demand was larger than expected and they shut down the site. So do yall think that a VPS is the right way to go? We have the budget to go VPS($40-$80) a month for 3 months, before going back to shared.
About 1and1.com: I read a few threads, some recent, that seem to say they oversell even a VPS. This doesnt make much sense since its supposed to gaurente those resources to me. The company is so big, but even these few posts and accusations are keeping me from commiting. My main concern is that between when we launch it and when our first spike of demand hits is only 2 months, so I dont want to learn that 1and1.com sucks firsthand.
Ive seen other hosts that this forum sponsers, so I assume there is *some* prefernce to use them, but like jaguarpc.com VPS plans seem to be a little more $ for a little less (storage and bandwidth) when comparing to other deals.
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May 9, 2009
how the hosting provider would back me up in setting up my vps, support in additional issues etc. with regards each of the above topics.
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Apr 1, 2009
We have 2 servers which run our website. One for data (about 50gb) and one for databases (about 5gb)
We currently perform offsite backups but we want to improve upon these. Our main objectives are:
1) Be able to recover as much info as possible in the event of a disaster
2) Be able to rollback to a previous version should we not notice a problem until later (ie 30 day history?)
3) Be able to restore as quickly as possible
4) Be able to afford it!
The options we seem to have are:
A) Use a service such as backupdirect.net which specialise in offsite backup and have specialised software to handle this. Obviously we get support, the backups are encrypted, etc and probably will end up with a much more robust backup solution.
However, it will take time to restore, if our server goes down we still have to get that working then perform the restore
B) Buy another dedicated server, which we can run everything on (albeit slowly!) and keep a 'live backup' on this server. This means we could switch to it should our main servers die for any reason with minimal downtime. Downsites would mean we have less support, would have to be careful with encryption of the data flowing from one server to another and we would have a less formal backup solution (eg harder to restore back to a point in time)
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Jul 11, 2008
I'm starting a small company which will do custom web development and hosting. Right now we have appr 10 clients with no heavy traffic.
I've been thinking about buying a VPS for the hosting of these sites, in order to have more control over the server, instead of using a shared hosting, but i'm wondering if VPS is overkill.
Hopefully we'll get more customers and need more space and bandwidth as time goes by...
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May 1, 2008
I'm a (mostly SQL and Java) programmer by trade, I have an MSc. in Computer Engineering, and for almost 8 years I have done web and database programming on the side. I have a site (www.the-athenaeum.org) that has had its ups and downs. Sometimes I find lots of time to work on it, other times life intrudes and I neglect it. It gets a few hundred thousand hits and maybe 30,000 unique visitors per month (or so).
Long ago, I decided (for reasons of security and some idea of the nobility of open source) to go with FreeBSD/PostgreSQL. I went from crappy no-name hosting to CanHost to LayeredTech, teaching myself the OS and db from scratch in little scraps of free time. In general I have always gone the cheap route by necessity. I'm determined to keep my site nonprofit, so I've never had banner ads or Google ads. Over time as I made more $ in my "real job" I could afford slightly better servers.
These days I could probably spare $200 per month out of my own pocket to subsidize my hobby. We have a new partner who may provide another $200 per month or so.
I have come to a point where my lack of knowledge is probably holding us back. It's a one-man operation from a web/db-programming standpoint, and I am finding myself using too much time on anti-hacker and server-optimization activities. The server runs slowly. People keep spamming my PunBB install. I am trying to keep the server up and responsive instead of adding new features and finding new users. My cheapness is biting me in the butt. I think if the server ran smoothly when people came, and if I could spend my time adding the cool features I dream of, we would double or triple our user base pretty easily.
I suppose you could sum up my operation by saying that I have a web site that "does cool stuff ... slowly."
I figure I have two possible routes:
1. Pay for a "semi-managed" server or a managed server: By this I mean having someone set up the OS to be very solid, someone who can look into why the server is so sluggish and fix it. Someone who can give me an SLA that deals with spamming/hacking. I don't care about admin. panels and the like, but I do need a solid, fast server, or at least one that performs up to its basic potential.
2. Have a "geek on retainer": Instead of that, pay for targeted services. Pay a FreeBSD guy to do the initial server setup. Pay an Apache/PostgreSQL guru(s) to get the basic infrastructure in place. Pay a PunBB mod developer to harden the forums. Bring them back in when specific problems come up.
I've learned a lot over the last few years, but I will never become the expert that is needed to fully grok the sys. admin. tasks.
Which route would you recommend, or is there a better way? How do I price out these services?
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Sep 10, 2008
We're a small company developing with PHP (Code Igniter and WordPress) and need somewhere to host our pages.
Today we have a dedicated server managed by me, but i realize it's a little too much for me and we're looking into moving to a shared host, preferrably, but we're open to others solutions (VPS?) as well.
As per now our customer's pages are rather low traffic, the highest is approx 1000 per day, and the other ones are maybe a 1000 more, so 2000 in total. Maybe a little redundancy should be added as well.
So our requirements are (in no particular order):
- SSH access
- Unlimited domains (or at least 50)
- 10-20 GB/day bandwidth (as the large site hosts some videos ~10-40 MB/video)
- ~5-10 GB disk space
- Unlimited MySQL-dbs
- European - we're in Scandinavia, but that's not required for host
- Preferrably green
- Price is not the most important - we can pay up to 35€-45€/month
- CP could be cPanel or custom. I tried Plesk but i seemed quite horrible to me
- And of course: Linux
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Aug 10, 2008
I want a host for a site running gallery2 with about 2.000 UV + 20.000 page views daily.
Just got suspended because high load in shared hosting.
Now one VPS with 256MB of RAM can running good with my site.
But in next time, may the visitors still increasing.
In this case, semi-dedicated or VPS is better for me?
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Aug 3, 2007
I am in the middle of rebuilding a website for a large magazine. The site currently averages 2 million hits a month, and uses about 10 GB of bandwidth a month. The site has always been on a shared Windows hosting plan, however I feel it has outgrown the shared environment.
The company can't afford a dedicated server, so I am looking for a "middle ground". Now that the company is doing e-mail marketing to an opt-in list of over 50,000 people, and a shared environment simply can't handle that kind of mailing volume.
I am not picky about hosting platform, though I am more familiar with Linux, cPanel, etc. I also have no clue about server management, so I'd need a managed solution.
My question, is what is the difference between semi-dedicated and VPS, and which would you suggest for my needs? Also, can anyone suggest a reliable host that offers fully managed services for less than $100/month?
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Jun 3, 2008
I am just wondering if it is possible to host streaming video files on semi-dedicated servers?
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Aug 30, 2009
In a few months I will be searching for a semi-dedicated plan, I'm going to spend around $230 a year. I would go with my current host on semi-dedicated but their plan is about 2 to 3 times over my price.
My site is currently on a shared hosting plan is doing fairly well but I'm also looking to expand the site and therefore I will need a semi-dedicated plan.
I'm not familiar with semi-dedicated since I have always used shared hosting and have a few sites on different shared hosting plans. So any tips you can provide when searching for a semi-dedicated or questions I can ask would really be helpful.
Now I know there is a offers section here on WHT but I'm not looking for offers, I'm looking for recommendations from users who have used a semi-dedicated plan that's around my price range. I'm not looking for dedicated, nor VPS, just semi-dedicated. I will be purchasing a semi-dedicated plan around November of this year.
I'm no newb to shared hosting but I am new and unfamiliar with what to look for in semi-dedicated hosting plans.
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Oct 9, 2009
What is the difference between VPS and semi-dedicated server? Which one is better?
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Feb 15, 2009
I am currently using hostmonster.com and I've noticed that my service is starting to go downhill. The site is taking longer to load and I've read that in some cases they will terminate your account without notifications.
I am a photographer and my website will be growing in the future. I am looking for a site that I can host my high res images and maybe video streaming for my wedding events. Should I go with a semi-dedicated server?
What are some cheap reputable semi-dedicated hosting companies?
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Jun 1, 2008
I just found out there is such a thing as semi dedicated hosting. I think this will work well for me. I was hoping that someone out there could recommend a company that is reliable and honest, has good support, does not oversell, and finally, a company that is reasonably priced. Even better, it would be great if the hosting company was one that could really work with me to determine my needs as I go along as I am extremely limited in any techincal knowledge. I really don't understand 99% of the verbage that is associated with all this stuff and if left to my own devices, I really would not be able to convey my needs or even know what my needs are. I feel lucky if I even know of 1 or 2 questions to ask.
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Dec 19, 2008
I run an on-line forum on a shared hosting account, which I'm beginning to outgrow.
Last month's statistics shows an approximate average of 40 concurrent users, approximately 200 megabytes of used hard drive space, and approximately 15 gigabytes of used data traffic. I like my current web host, but their next step up is a dedicated server account. From what I understand, a dedicated server account requires extensive UNIX knowledge, which I lack.
I'm thinking what I would like is a semi-dedicated server, which from what I understand is basically a shared hosting account with larger accomodations. I'd like something that runs some varient of the UNIX operating system, and gives my on-line forum a decent amount of room to grow if necessary. Budget wise, I'm willing to pay up to $80 per month.
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Sep 7, 2008
What are the advantages of a semi dedicated account over a shared account.
So far it just looks like a bigger shared account (though comparable when you compare it to an oversold shared account). It's more expensive though so does it relieve some of the load issues (and CPU/memory limits) placed in a shared account?
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Apr 21, 2008
choosing an appropriate webhost solution. I'll be launching a site that will initially serve around 3000-4000 pageviews per day (say 2000-2500 uniques per day) but will go well over 10-15K eventually. Pretty small based on that metric. With just PHP (no dynamic content), my shared host has handled that fairly well for an existing site.
However, this site will need to track search queries...so, each page will do a simple MySQL lookup and either upgrade a count or do a small insert. Again, very simple stuff but not sure how this affect performance and CPU load. Still, I know my provider has pretty low thresholds on max db concurrent connections and they've loaded my server with lots of other sites recently. I'd rather not take a chance after launching.
Based on that simple operation, would you recommend moving to a managed VPS or possibly a semi-dedicated server? The traffic still sounds low but I'm just not sure of the mysql effect
If VPS, it seems like 512M memory should be the minimum for this setup or could I get away with something smaller, like 384M/256M?
I've read good things about MediaLayer's "application hosting" but it still sounds just like shared hosting.
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Dec 6, 2008
I've been with the same host for 4 years with great support (I'll write a full review next week), but my site has outgrown the current dedicated plans they offer at my budget.
Basically I need two servers to run one large (and growing) vbulletin forum: Primary Server: a modern processor (Core2Duo, Xeon, etc.) and 2-3GB RAM to serve the php pages, run MySQL, handle mail, etc. Secondary Server: old Celeron with 512 RAM to host avatars/images on a subdomainBudget: $150-$170
This is all for one website, so I'm not sure if it's necessary for me to pay for two control panels, a fancy secondary server, etc. Is this a realistic price range?
Here's where I'm weary. A lot of hosts with deals on modern and old servers seem to be unmanaged. I can do my own back-ups, rebuild php, run basic ssh commands, etc., but I do need help trouble-shooting random issues, about 6-8 times a year. For example, in October my server was hit by this iframe javascript attack. It required some knowledgeable techs working to fix it. I rarely need such active support, but when I need it, I can't accept a "this is a software issue, you're on your own!" or "we'll escalate this ticket to our level 54 tech and get back to you right after your billing cycle."
In searching reputable companies in my price range, I've narrowed down my search to:
HostDime (managed support, but the most expensive)
DMEHosting (least expensive, but seemingly the most problematic)
Hivelocity (good deals, good sales presence on WHT)
ServerBeach (popular, experienced, doesn't seem to be known for good support)
TailorMadeServers (good deals, owner posts here often, but seems understandably busy)
All of these companies seem reasonable for various reasons, so I figured I would make a thread about my specific needs in hopes of getting more informed opinions.
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Oct 27, 2007
I'm currently building a large guitar lesson website that will launch around the end of the year or so. Basically there will be multiple instructors on the site who submit video files from 10mb to 20mb in size each. There will eventually be a couple thousand videos on the site, so around 30gb of disk space right there give or take. So I need plenty of disk space.
I'm on a shared hosting account right now with iPowerweb, and that of course won't do me much good once the site's up and running. Plus they have a 12mb upload limit, but the instructors need to upload videos larger than that. And I'm aware that with a VPS I'd be able to set my own upload file size limit.
Anyway, this server stuff gives me a headache and I feel totally clueless. I've always loved the basic shared account because I don't have to do anything to keep the server in tact. But from what I've read, a VPS or dedicated server would take a lot of work on my part. So for that reason, I'm guessing I would need a managed VPS or managed dedicated server. I don't totally know what "managed" means, but hopefully to where I wouldn't have to do any upkeep. I need to focus my time on a bazillion other things besides the server, so it'd be nice to find a plan where I wouldn't have to worry about server security updates, software updates, and any other server maintenance etc.
I need tons of bandwidth. It's going to be a membership site with hundreds and eventually thousands of members who all watch the lesson videos. So that's a ton of bandwidth. I'll be the only one on my server though, I'm not going to also host clients or anything.
I'll of course need super reliability. With eventually having thousands of members, my site needs to be totally professional with near flawless uptime.
So I'm thinking I'd want to start off with AT LEAST 40gb of disk space, but 60gb might be better. At least 1000gb transfer, but again, maybe more? And I guess a lot of ram, although I admit I hardly know what ram is haha, does that have to do with the speed of the site? And what's burstable ram? But yes, I'd need to have a server that can handle all the many files and users, with great uptime and great speed.
Budget-wise, I'd like to keep it under $70 or $80 a month if possible. If absolutely necessary, maybe a little more.
Anyway, if you guys were in my shoes, what would you do. Assuming you're clueless about VPS, and have the needs mentioned above. Any host recommendations or advice?
Price-wise and size-wise, Start Logic looks pretty good, but I think their VPSs are all unmanaged. Ive looked at a lot of other companies, but it's hard to find the right plan.
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Jun 26, 2008
For people who don't need the full power of a dedicated server yet wish to avoid shared hosting and VPS, it seems attractive to cost-share a dedicated server with others. Does anyone have any advice for how to find suitable partners?
In our case, we're leaving LayeredTech because our dedicated server rose from $75 to $111 via two recent price increases. We can get a much faster server for less money.
However, our CPU load is under 20% on our old Layered Tech Sempron 2600 server. This makes dedicated a bit overkill.
You may be thinking "become a reseller". However, I'd like to avoid getting into that business. So I'd appreciate any advice on how to find 1 or 2 people who would also like a semi-dedicated server.
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Oct 14, 2009
I know there are many topics asking about European hosting companies but I need some specifics.
First of all I'm going to buy a reseller account but I will only use it for my own websites. I won't sell so I don't need end user support.
I would like the company to be at least 2 years old and very large. For example Hostgator has 7000 servers but it's in Texas and not Europe(though I will get reseller account from them if I can't find a host I like in Europe).
They also should have good support and should be trustworthy.
My budget is between 20-30$. Right now I don't have any high traffic websites but I would like to be able to upgrade in the future when I have.
I also have a question. If I get a host which has Fantastico, are the programs I can install the same on every host? For example Hostgator has programs like Zencart,Cubecart,osCommerce. Are they included in every host that has Fantastico?
Linux or Windows doesn't matter.
Country doesn't matter much but I would prefer UK for English language support.
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Oct 25, 2009
From reading a good lot of posts here, I can see that HostGator seems to be a good company and that many have a good feedback to give about it. I've also been reading that you should avoid overselling, though understand that some companies, even though they offer "Unlimited space and bandwidth", they can manage it well. I guess HostGator falls in that category too. My questions here:
1) So what are the conditions under which it is okay to go for a company that offers unlimited space and bandwidth? (Expecting answers like 'if you just have a few blogs and don't require...')
I have read (here and elsewhere) that for most people's requirements, a shared web hosting would do. However, for someone a with a little more web baggage (individuals, not businesses), it is generally advised that they look at semi-dedicated hosting plans.
2) Based on the above quoted, objectively, what are the things that you should look at (like traffic per day etc) and what should be their values (for e.g. like 15000 uniques per day etc) while considering moving from sharing to semi-dedicated plans? I think some of them are the following, can you give me approximate values for these when I should consider the move?
a) Traffic
b) Number of active websites
c) Sites with heavy resource usage. (Can you give me some examples of this?)
d)...
What else am I missing in this list?
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May 13, 2008
what is the minimum/maximum number of users usually hosted on shared and semi-dedicated servers?
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Apr 22, 2008
I have a 1u server that I'm looking to colo. I looked around the forums but I can't seem to find exactly what I need.
I'd prefer if the hosting company was large, owned its own datacenter (as opposed to leasing), offered proactive (automated) monitoring services, remote reboot, and a superb network with little or no downtime.
I like liquidweb but it looks like they only have 500gb / month up and down or a dedicated line capped at 10mbps line. I need something in between, around 1000GB / month up and down with 100mbps port. Support doesn't really matter, nor does price.
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May 20, 2008
I have a website which has about 20K users, and now I am using VPS plan at LunarPages.
However, I have encountered a trouble of out-of-memory. Although I have configured my Apache and MySQL carefully, the 512M memory is not enough. Therefore, the users' expirence is not good these days because my site is very unstable.
I contacted Lunarpages, asking them whether I can upgrade my VPS to bigger RAM, but they said the ONLY way to get a RAM bigger than 512M is to upgrade to dedicated hosting plan.
The following are some stats of my website:
Total Members: 20k
Online at the same time: max 600, average 300
The Lunarpages VPS plan:
www[dot]lunarpages[dot]com/virtual-private-server/
disk space: 20G
RAM: 512M
price: $42 / mo
Now I am not sure whether to migrate to didicated hosting plan, because currently, the main problem is just the size of RAM. Other resources e.g (CPU, network etc. ) are not my bottleneck. So I think it seems not worthwhile for me to migrate to the dedicated hosting plan with a doubled price (even more, almost 3x if I need 1G RAM), just for a larger size of RAM.
Can you guys give some suggestions to choose a VPS provider for my site?
The factors taken into my consideration include:
* RAM size: at least (1G for peak, 768M garantee). The bigger, the better. Nice if can choose larger size when needed.
* price
* bandwidth: 1T/mon?
* easy to upgrade to dedicated host: just in case that one day I will have to use dedicated.
* whether there are coupons for a lower price.
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Jun 4, 2008
We were using Site Genie, but they received a DDoS attack that took down their entire datacenter, and in which our IP was one of the targets. They null-routed our IPs and told us they'd ship us the hardware we had in our boxes and we would need to find another host.
We had 2 servers with the following specs:
1.7Ghz AMD64
1TB of bandwidth/month
1GB of RAM
40GB drive
And paying $60/month each
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Nov 7, 2007
I have a website development business with about a dozen clients. We do a lot of e-commerce work and design work. I have about 3 different hosts that we work with depending on the site. (Some of the hosts specialize in different e-commerce systems.)
I would like to start hosting some of my clients myself. I would like the server to be linux and we will be doing most of development work in PHP and MySQL. We hope to double our client list in the next 12 months.
Is there anyone out there that has a business similar to mine that can recommend going with a Dedicated vs Managed vs VPS setup. I like the idea VPS because of the price, but I'm not sure if a Managed system might not allow me more time to focus on other things. (I priced out a managed system with Rackspace)
I've been working on the web for about 10 years, but haven't been doing a lot of server admin stuff in the last few. I would like a system that is fairly easy to set up, use and get rolling. I would also like to have a system with good support. I've looked at the VPS system Virtuozzo by SWSOFT. It looks pretty good.
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Jul 1, 2008
I'm trying to find a reliable and established host (not a junior company that may close anytime) that offers a low end managed dedicated server.
My minimum requirements:
2.0 Ghz processor
1 GB RAM
100 GB disk
250 GB bandwidth
Managed
Good support
Reliable and established host
I can't go with a VPS because the site I'm developing is growing very fast, there are some times where CPU usage is a bit too high. My current VPS host has asked me to move that site to a dedicated server, and they are right. With more CPU and memory the site will be alright, but I don't want to risk having to move again, so no VPS this time.
The reason I'm looking for a low end server is that the site is not self-supporting yet, so I can't afford to pay more that 150$/month.
If money wasn't an issue, I would already have picked Liquidweb, their current special allowed me to build a nice server for only 229$/month, but I'm not ready to commit that kind of money yet.
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Aug 25, 2008
I am setting up a website that may generate a lot of traffic, though it is just starting out.
Since I'm not sure how easy the migration from a VPS to dedicated server will be (yes, I'm a newbie to all this!), I want to go with a dedicated server.
Since the site is going to be a revenue generator, I don't want to go low on quality - but don't want to spend over $150 pm.
I'm looking for something managed/with guaranteed uptime. A good bandwidth.
I will be running a MySQL database as well as the LAMP based website on the same server initially (later I may separate the database).
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Mar 8, 2008
I have found SL can offer you 12*1 TB drive based systems, after RAID-5 and Win 2003 install you get just over 10 TB of storage. The monthly price works out to $1000/Month.
I know some time ago LeaseWeb offered these type of storages....any one else know of any others ?
Amazon S3 works out to about $1500 for 10 TB
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Mar 20, 2008
I'm thinking of adding Managed Dedicated Server in my services. I'm also currently looking for the right provider, so I can just simply resell his/her service.
But this is my first time to be involve on this service and I would like to ask some advise from the expert people of WHT.
-What are the important things that I need to consider if I offer the Managed Dedicated Server which is also offered by another provider? It's like reselling their service.
-What are the important things that I need to know for my possible clients? What are the usual requirements of many businesses when it comes of having managed dedicated server?
-What are the important/ideal security measures for a dedicated server?
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May 12, 2009
I am in the market for a dedicated server that is managed, here is some info to help narrow it down;
-Budget is $100-200 per month, can go to a maximum of $350 but prefer not to
-Website will be based on a blog platform and serve 5-40MB videos on a daily basis
-Need funtionality to limit bandwidth to avoid overages
-Need 24/7 phone support and FULL management in terms of upgrades, installation and security
-I'm not sure how much resources video use up in terms of uplink but i'm guessing I need 100MBps rather than 10Mbps. If i'm wrong let me know.
Other than that...i'll probably use Amazon S3 to offload extra bandwidth costs once I start getting too many viewers. If you need some more info then ask and i'll try to supply it.
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