Procurve 2800 Vs. 2600 ~ Public Vs. Private
Dec 14, 2007
The only main difference I see between 2848 (48 ports) and 2650 (48 ports) is the vast difference in thoroughput and switching capacity, 2848 (Throughput: Up to 69.8 mpps; Switching capacity: 96 Gbps) having a higher capacity and 2650 (Throughput: 10.1 million pps; Routing/switching capacity: 13.6 Gbps).
So now, if there is a public switch for http/ftp/ssh and private switch for backups and there are about 35 servers connected to each switch, does it make sense if I go with 2800 for the private switch and 2600 for the public?
The basis of my conclusion is that on a public port with limited bandwidth, a user cannot continuously push close to 100mbps for long before running out of bandwidth. But on a private switch where the user has unlimited bandwidth and can push 100mbps continuously for longer periods and some of the users on the private switch might also have 1gbps port access.
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May 1, 2007
Due to an emergency with our colo space, we are missing a switch.
As a very temporary measure, would it be possible to put both our public traffic and private traffic (10.0.0.0/8) on the same switch without a VLAN?
Essentially we'd be connecting both the trusted and external side of our (natting) firewall to the same switch, along with our servers (which have private IP's).
What are the security risks of this?
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Mar 13, 2008
Is that a good upgrade? The xeon is going on three years old now and is starting to show it's age. I did search here and google but found no real comparison between the two.
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Sep 4, 2008
I am currently with the planet and am happy with them, however as part of a new venture I need to gather a list of hosts as well as the planet that will be able to cater to the ventures needs and go to tender with the requirements.
ThePlanet offer something called a virtual rack. This is cheaper than renting a dedicated rack, allows for Gb networking but doesnt not allow for a SAN. Do other providers offer something similar? The cost of putting a machine on the virtual rack is not that much more expensive than just renting the machine. I guess there isn't too much to these set-ups to be fair.
If not, then we are looking for dedicated racks, with the ability to host a SAN at some point, but starting off with say 3 servers (2 web servers, 1 storage server with raid5 6Tb of hdd). These servers will be dealing with network cameras although I don't think that many will be streaming at once but the network capacity does need to be there.
Who's door should I be knocking on to find out some prices?
One final thing, should I bother looking for co-lo providers as well? We are in the Uk but not precious about our host being in the same country at all (it would be nice but uk prices are ££). Really, all we would be able to do with co-lo is buy the hardware outright to save price as we are not interested in looking after the hardware.
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Jul 27, 2009
with a mini-hp VLAN problem I'm having. I currently have a HP 2626 that a local client had lying around, but I'm having issues understanding the VLAN setup.
What he wants to do is to setup 12 servers off the HP 2626 and use the routing & VLAN support. I was wondering what options are used in the VLAN config to get this to work, as well as how to route additional IPs that may be used later on to VLANs. My cisco training tells me to use Trunk ports, but I don't think HP uses that terminology.
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May 7, 2009
We are currently looking making some switch changes in our rack as we are expanding.
We don't push a whole lot of traffic (currently 15MBPS) but would like to think ahead for growth.
We are looking at using either the Procurve 1800-24G which will provide web managed 24 10/100/1000 ports or the Cisco Catalyst Express 520-24TT which provide web managed 22 10/100 & 2 10/100/1000 Ports.
Connected to these switch would be our servers and then uplink to our firewalls.
HP is cheaper and provides faster ports, but would Cisco provide additional value over the HP because it's Cisco and their experienced technology?
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Oct 13, 2009
I have been really trying to learn all I can about layer-3 switches and have gotten good advice on my other post. I've never had to use them before, and in moving to a new datacenter network I'd like to take advantage of dual feeds that require a layer-3 switch.
I've been looking at switches that are across a broad spectrum of prices, between $500 and $2500 or so. I'm 95% decided on the HP procurve 2610 since we don't push a lot of traffic (under 5mbps) and I don't need anything too fancy. I considered a Cisco 3560 and 3750, as well as Juniper... but for this thread I'm really interested in hearing about any experiences with the hp 2610?
Essentially, two feeds from my DC will go into one VLAN, which will act as the gateway for a second VLAN, which has about 7 servers attached to it.
Since the layer-3 switch will be routing all traffic from one VLAN (7 servers) to the second VLAN (dual DC feeds), I'm curious to know if anyone has any experience with the hp 2610.
I don't need to give each server its own VLAN. Right now they are all under our own control, so they can all share the same VLAN. So one big VLAN for our servers routing to one tiny VLAN for the two uplinks is all I need.
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Jun 12, 2008
Is there anyone configuring Procurve 2650 with Spanning Tree Protocol? I want to have redundant up links to different router ports, but whenever enable STP, it seems lead to loss packets too much
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Dec 19, 2007
I am going to setup new clustering system with 2 Procurve 2650. One of public access and one for private connections (most for database access, control panel connections, backup files transfering). Aiming using around 35-38 servers. All servers using SM board with 2x gigabit NICs
Is there any trouble I can face to with that kind of network? Or any better solution with the same budget? or should I use gigabit switch for private connection?
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Oct 8, 2007
I know a lot of people here on the boards have a good amount of experience with the HP switches. I am going to be ordering a 2810-24g this week and will need a 1000BaseSX sfp to throw in it. Are the HP's brand specific? IE do I absolutely need to purchase an HP sfp and not say, a foundry or cisco one? I need to figure out which one I will be ordering, hopefully one I can source locally quickly, so that I know if its connecting via lc or sc and make the call for the cross connect. I am in the bay area, maybe someone will know where I could pick one up too.
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Oct 11, 2009
I've been reading and searching on here as much as I can to try to help me in making a decision, unfortunately when I think I know what to do, I read something else and get confused again.
We are in the process of moving networks within our datacenter and will have 2 drops coming into our half-cabinet. We have about 7 servers in there, some for our own use and some for clients. In all cases, we manage the servers and are the only ones with root access (no need for VLANs for the purpose of protecting IPs etc).
We currently have a single drop and use an HP procurve 2524 layer2 switch that has been in there for over 6 years and never had a single hiccup. We also don't push much traffic at all though. Under 5mbps combined.
My question though is this: moving to the new network we will have 2 drops that are set up as HSRP on their end (upstream of me, I don't have to worry about having two switches). In order to use the dual feeds, we will need a Layer3 switch. One feed will be active, the other is not, both are connected to the switch via a VLAN and provide a gateway for VLAN2 to use. I have never used a layer3 switch, though I'm not *too* concerned since I don't expect we'll be doing anything too complex. My understanding is that one VLAN (VLAN1) will be set up with an IP address assigned to each drop and that VLAN1 will create a gateway for VLAN2. The second VLAN (VLAN2) will be all our "inside" client IPs that will then route through VLAN1.
I was briefly checking out the cisco 3750, but I think it's overkill...? I don't want to spend too much money, since I don't think we need any complex setups, at the same time, I don't want to waste money by buying something that won't work efficiently down the road.
My immediate short-list is now an HP procurve 2610, an HP procurve 3500 J9470A (not the YL), and a Cisco 3560 24-TS.
Of course, then someone mentioned Juniper (whom I have zero experience with either) and hence the title to my thread... I'm thoroughly confused. I was looking at the EX3200-24T.
Ok, so if I have to boil this down to some simple requirements/thoughts... here goes:
1. I only need 24 ports for now.
2. I use SNMP currently to monitor usage for clients (and overall)
3. I like HPs and have used them for layer2, I like their lifetime warranty and software availability
4. I don't have direct experience with Cisco at all.
5. Aside from routing from one VLAN (provider side) to another VLAN (my side), I don't think I need any other special features (hence the hp 2610 being ok I think, since it offers "lite layer3")
6. Some people say HP is great for layer2 but not for layer3? Now I dont' know what to think.
7. Currently use about 2mbps and might jump to 3 or 4mbps, but don't have major needs. I'd like for this switch to be able to last me a while though... so maybe 20~40mbps+? (but still not the hundreds of mbps that others here push
8. If possible, I'd LIKE to limit some servers to 1mbps or 2mbps on a per-port basis... but this is not a hard requirement. (I think this takes the 2610 out).
Budget: I like the $500 price tag of the 2610, but can spend the $1500~$2000 for the HP 3500, Cisco 3560, or Juniper. I would just rather not, if the price/features are not justifiable.
Hopefully I've provided enough information for someone to offer their insight? I think a few strategic key points or questions from someone with more experience might be what I need to help me bust through the "too many choices" fog and end up with the best switch for my situation...
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Dec 28, 2007
Can anyone suggest which one to go with?
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Dec 28, 2007
I am looking for a Procurve 2848 switch. It's listed on ebay with different prices (from 650 to 3000usd). I wonder what price I should consider as a fair price? Dont want to pay much, but dont want to buy broken unit at cheap price either. An used one is fine whenever it's still working at all ports
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Jul 11, 2009
I would like to buy a 24-port gigabit web managed switch, but I don't know which to choose.
The HP Procurve 1800-24 or Cisco SLM2024.
They have almost the same features but for example; the HP has (limited) lifetime warranty for example, and the Cisco supports IEEE 802.1D, Spanning Tree and Fastport.
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Feb 26, 2008
Is the Cisco switch worth well over what the HP ProCurve costs? - The ProCurve has much less cache, but how much of a disadvantage is that for a switch?
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Jan 21, 2008
What type of cable/settings are needed to access the console port of a ProCurve 2626 J4900A? the recent one I ordered wasnt working with the regular way I access these switches.
I use a null modem (crossover) female-female serial console cable and connect it to my laptop serial port w/9600-8-1-None to access my ProCurve 2900 48G series.
But I tried using a straight/null/rollover(cisco's) and none of them worked. I also tried 9800-8-1-xoff/xon. All of them are giving me weird text when I press [ENTER] numerous times. I can access my 2900 series switches fine, no problem, just these 2626 ones I cant. My laptop can definitely detect the port cause when I disable it, I get a message on my terminal window which says "disconnected". So I am messing up somewhere.
By the way, I actually returned the switch when it came the first time because I thought they gave me a faulty one and I got another one, but it behaves the same way. But the actual switch functionality has no issues as I can assign my servers IPs and be able to access them remotely. I just cant configure the switch itself without the console port.
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Sep 1, 2007
I'm having a tough time finding a discernible difference between the 2810 and the 2848, beyond the $1k price premium on the 2848. Can anybody speak to the benefits of the 2848 over the 2810?
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Jul 3, 2007
I've been tasked with buying a "good" edge switch for my company's datacenter presence. After a full day of searching around and reading, I think I have decided on a procurve. The question now is what is sufficient for our needs.
We currently have 8 machines and will possibly add another 3 or 4 before the end of the year. We're running gigabit everywhere at the moment, and at bare minimum would need gigabit to 3 of our servers currently. Hopefully we will need gigabit to 4 or 5 servers by the end of the year.
Our website is of very high value to us, but we're also very much in the startup mentality of pinching pennies.
My question is if a web managed switch like the procurve 1800-24g has some performance/reliability downsides compared to like a 2810-24g managed switch. Looks like the 1800-24g can be had for about $400, and the 2810-24g for about $1300.
Searching around this forum, I saw a few references to the 1800-24g where the comment was that it would be great for a lower throughput need. Can anyone tell me why this would be insufficient for higher demands?
Our peak sustained throughput on the uplink to the hosting provider's router so far has been about 120mbps, and we hope to double this by end of year (and grow beyond).
If possible, I would like to be forward looking to the point where we will want to spend more money and have redundant switches in place to protect uptime. I do see that the 2810-24g is listed as stackable, but reading /rnd/pdfs/ProCurve_Stacking_Technology.pdf on HP's website (newbie not allowed to link in posts) seems to me to say that I wouldn't have any options for automatic failover to a slave switch with it. Does anyone know if this is correct?
Having a failover hot switch ready is not a deal breaker since we're only looking at switches that will give us high confidence in the first place.
How about comments on the wisdom of buying something like this used? My gut instinct is that I should avoid used since this is a high performance single point of failure for our entire internet presence. But I don't know how rock solid I should expect a used procurve to be.
In case you are wondering, our technical needs from the switch our modest. I will probably set up a vlan for each of our load balancing clusters to contain multicasting, but the only other feature I know of so far that I desire is the snmp reporting data.
I guess the root question is - would a web managed procurve leave me at a disadvantage for row performance or reliability compared to a full managed procurve?
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Jan 23, 2008
I heard the other day from a very reliable source that this is a fact and they expect it to happen sooner rather than later. Since they seem to set the bar anyway seems it was only a matter of time. Anyone else aware of this or am I the only one? Searched the forum before I posted and nothing came up. Seems like a significant development to me...
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Jan 21, 2008
Im planning on using WAMPserver2 on our web server to host our website. Now, as far as I can tell, WAMPserver2 was mostly created to allow you to do work locally. Is there any known problem with using this software on a web server publically?
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Aug 6, 2008
You are hosting your web site on a local server and you have the DNS pointing to the LOCAL (read: not public) IP on your LAN which means only you and those on your LOCAL network can access the site.
192.168.1.8 is a LOCAL (PRIVATE) IP.
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Nov 4, 2007
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How do I regulate priviledges/permissions of FTP users?
How do I control (like configuring how the indexing is displayed, for example) /public_html/somedirectory/ through /public_html/.htaccess?
How do I disallow certain filetypes from existing in /public_html/somedirectory/* or to be uploaded?
How do I disallow apache from rendering any html, php, cgi, java, perl, etc files in /public_html/somedirectory/*?
So, if you had a public FTP (not the "anonymous FTP" cPanel can create, but a regular and single user account shared by everyone), how would you protect your free map hosting service from abuse? What protections would you setup? Etc.
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Aug 8, 2008
we are looking for a provider that provides public ip vlans' with dedicated server purchases,
so far,,
we have found few companies that offer this at no extra charge or minimal extra charge
1) softlayer (best choice)
2) singlehop
3) nocster/burst.net (not a good provider for business hosting / not reliable / no phone support)
does anyone know of any other dedicated server providers that offer public ip vlans for no extra charge or minimal extra charge?
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Feb 21, 2008
When I try to login SSH using SecureCRT Software, following error it show.
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Jan 24, 2007
we have a server with customers
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a customer must can include a class that is out of /home/public_html/customerlogin/*
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Dec 19, 2007
we have this Juniper SSG5 firewall, our very first Juniper and wanted to use it.
While I am able to use it in NAT mode, I have been unsuccessful to use it in route mode.
We have Public IPs from the same segment and I wanted to use it with the firewall but it appears that I can't assign IPs for each port if the IP is from the same segment.
Does it mean that we can't use it other than in NAT mode?
What we want to accomplish is to have one of IPs to act as gateway and filter or route in/out traffic to/from our other IPs.
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Oct 19, 2014
I am looking to migrate from dedicated box with windows server 2012 R2 and plesk 12 over to amazon ec2.
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Is it even possible ?
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Jun 18, 2008
I regret to bring this to a public forum but having seen that solarvps has a presence here I am hoping that a resolve to this issue can be found, and any public opinions are welcomed.
Having been a customer with solarvps since 2006 without any cause for concerns it does not make me happy with some recent issues I have had with them. So I have had a vps server hosted with them since 2006. Sometime in February when attempting to login to my VPS I got an error, I left it as this happens sometimes, it happened for 4 days in a row so I thought this is a little strange logged in to my control panel, to see no VPS server was listed under the account. There was no invoice generated either. Ok this is strange but I just assumed it had been terminated, no invoice came through and that particular server was a backup server so I sought hosting elsewhere.
4 months pass I get an email from solarvps stating my account is overdue with charges applied. I contact them back straight away asking what they are billing me for I have explained the situation time and again to them, I have asked the questions why the server disappeared from my account, why I wasn’t able to access the vps remotely and why no invoices got generated at the time to which I have had no response, I have asked more than 5 times now. The only response I keep getting form them is threats if I do not pay to hand over to a collection agency and the possibility of legal action. To which I have replied each time that I will contest any such action and seek legal advice myself.
Granted I should probably have contacted them at the time but really they are at fault more than I am for not asking them what has happened, I truly believe I am not in the wrong here but nobody within solarvps is prepared is looking at the facts of what has happened here.
Well anyway I hope bringing this to a public forum will bring a resolve and maybe some answers. I am getting no response from anybody within solarvps and would be happy to take this away from the public if they are willing.
I am not unfair nor does it make sense that a customer for so long would just decide not to pay you one month and kick up a fuss over such a small amount of money but the fact that I am not in the wrong with this matter, I am not prepared to pay them no matter how much bullying tactics they wish to adopt in trying to make me.
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May 19, 2009
I would like to know there is any.
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May 10, 2007
Currently we are running a very successful site for extreme sports. We have just spent 6 months on development of our new site which we will launch in a fortnight. This will free up some of my time to look at other areas and avenues to attract members.
Personally I would love to run a hotmail style service on our website, and believe this would help with the growth of our online community.
Just interested in advice from others on areas to be aware and alert when running a service like this?
I am also trying to make the decision between SocketMail or Atmail. If anyone has opinions on these, or an alternative solution i'm all for that advice too.
Basically at this point I am wanting to get as much advice together as possible, then look to making an informed decision to go ahead or not.
Currently we operate off a dedicated server and i realise this may have to become two servers in the near future with such a service. It is fully managed by myself, and a 3rd party individual I hire to maintain the server on a monthly basis.
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