NYNOC - Perverse People Or Industry Standard

Aug 7, 2008

I recently moved a client of mine to a dedicated server with a hosting company called the NYNOC. After losing a few weeks of data for my client in the incedent described below, I am wondering if what happened was industry standard, or this was a case of choosing the wrong hosting company.

After signing up and paying the initial hosting charge, I received two notices - one on 18 july, and the second on 26th july - for a bill that was due 25th july.

On 2nd august I get a complaint from my client saying the website is down. I figured the hosting company had cut me off for a late bill. Fine, I figure i go and pay the bill and the reconnection charge and they put me back on.

After waiting 8 hours to get a support person (they dont have 24 hours customer service), I was told that I no longer had a account with them! No client log in. No server. Nothing. The disk was wiped clean and the server was sold to another customer. Without any warning that this would happen.

So my client lost a few weeks of customer data and I lost my credibility.

I was just wondering if this is standard practice in the dedicated hosting industry, or these guys are just bad news.

One more thing. When you talk to these people (they have only one customer support person) its almost as if they really really dislike their customers. As in, they talk down to you even as they exhibit complete disregard for your interests. This I know is not an industry standard. I have several accounts at Hurricane Electric, and they are tops. Unfortunately they do not offer well priced dedicated hosting.

I think I will try Interserver next. I spoke with one of the support guys on AOL late at night, and they seem good, and more importantly, are able to have a pleasant conversation with their customers.

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NYNOC 6 Months Review

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Decided to give a VPS a try back in November. Ordered through one the sales advertised in the offer forums, got set-up in less than 12 hours.

In terms of performance, the VPS works fine.

In terms of service, this is where the ball is dropped.

The issue is that they set me up in LA, and I'm on the East coast. So I've contacted support, asking if a move was possible. When they said yes, and I've confirmed that their offer to move it during the night was fine, I've even shut everything down to make things smoother.

The next morning, I receive an email telling me I will get another one once it's done... the following day, I receive an email that it can't be done, as I have a x64 OS and there is no space on the node.

So I let this slide, and decide that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and decided to offer them to BUY another one, this time on the East coast, if they could offer me the same setup as I have on the West coast. They've agreed, and I did the order as they requested... That was around noon 2 days ago, and still nothing today...

For another example, I've requested a ticket because the /dev/tun wasn't configured properly in the container... I don't know what they did, but it corrupted my VPS so bad that I have to re-initialise it completly. Another example: I've posted a ticket that their gentoo image is faulty (no network support at all!), and to my knowledge this was still not fixed.

So yes, NYNOC has some cool ideas like an online chat, even offered an EYEOS desktop, forums, tips, and great prices... but for me now this ain't worth it much and will be canceling my accounts. I guess coming from VPSFarm has spoiled me (instant setup, quick support), and will be looking for a new provider.

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I can only put it down to PERHAPS faulty hardware somewhere?

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May 27 06:41:17 server kernel: Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:xxxxxxxx SRC=xxxxxxxx DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=153 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=8778 DPT=11777 LEN=133
May 27 06:56:43 server kernel: Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:xxxxxxxx SRC=xxxxxxxxx DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=153 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=8778 DPT=11777 LEN=133
May 27 07:02:56 server kernel: Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:14:d1:14:a7:c0:00xxxxxxxxx SRC=xxxxxxxxx DST=xxxxxxxx LEN=622 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=48 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=54284 DPT=1027 LEN=602
May 27 07:03:13 server kernel: Firewall: *TCP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:14:d1:14:a7:c0:xxxxxxx SRC=xxxxxxxx DST=xxxxxxxx LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=47647 PROTO=TCP SPT=21173 DPT=22 WINDOW=65535 RE$
May 27 13:01:45 server syslogd 1.4.1: restart.
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: klogd 1.4.1, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: Linux version 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5PAE (mockbuild@builder16.centos.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-44)) #1 SMP Thu May 7 11:14:31 EDT 2009
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000000e7000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 00000000affb0000 (usable)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000affb0000 - 00000000affc0000 (ACPI data)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000affc0000 - 00000000afff0000 (ACPI NVS)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000afff0000 - 00000000b0000000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fef00000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: BIOS-e820: 0000000100000000 - 0000000140000000 (usable)
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: 4224MB HIGHMEM available.
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: 896MB LOWMEM available.
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: found SMP MP-table at 000ff780
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: Memory for crash kernel (0x0 to 0x0) notwithin permissible range
May 27 13:01:45 server kernel: disabling kdump

You can see it was down for some 6 hours, but I can't find a reason why
Diskspace is ample, there's no odd programs/scripts installed (it's a Centos server running whm with CSF firewall)

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As many of you may have already read my initial review or the New York NOC I wanted to leave an additional exit review of the company and share a personal recommendation.

It started a little over a month ago when I jumped VPS providers and initially purchase 2 VPS plans . Initially the boxes were rock solid. I could get to my websites, admin area, and have support tickets responded to in a timely manner. Roughly a week later I ended up moving another site to it’s own VPS . This is when I noticied my first issues. CONSTANT ERROR MESSAGES stating the backend was down and to please restart it.

I would launch a support ticket, roughly 2 hours later the backend would be rebooted and I could once again access the admin panel and do what I needed to. Like clockwork when I would try to login again later to my admin panel I would be hit again with the backend was down (hypervm would be in a constant refresh). Sometimes my sites would remain online and sometimes they would go down too. This got frustrating but was bearable (I thought). Within a few days I see a BIGGER problem arise. I woke up one morning to find error alerts coming in and realizing 2 VPS’s had been offline for hours on end. I again launch another support ticket for the backend to be rebooted. I get a response everything is ok so I go about my day. I later receive an e-mail stating all of my sites were showing a mysql connect error and panic. Come to find out they had corrupted this time when the backend went down, I repair and optimize and everything is ok. VERY next day I wake up and check my nightly logs to make sure the nightly backup was loaded onto my home server. I don’t see it and find I received an e-mail from lxadmin stating it could not backup the database. Once again…..corrupted. This has been going on since that time frame on almost a daily basis. The backups are iffy if they will come in since when the backend gets overloaded and crashes in the middle of the night, it immediately corrupts all db’s on the VPS. I could understand 1 VPS doing this…..but 3? Come on….

Now comes Thanksgiving, my boxes go down for roughly 5 hours before reboot and once again I have to repair them on a blackberry with ssh since I am away (never fun to type that on a bb). I am back online and go about my day…….then…..Friday. My box goes down at 5pm…..I send in a support ticket to have it rebooted. The next morning at 11am it finally gets turned back on and I get a response that it must have been on my end since everything looks ok from there (granted 3 monitoring services were all showing it down). Once again…..corrupted. I rebuild and think the SLA was 99.9% so I send in a nice message to ask about it. Here is the response:

Posted: 11/29/2008 12:33
Hey Guys.
Since one of the VPS accounts was down for 17 hours do I qualify for the 99.9% SLA?
(3 Monitoring Services show the outage happened at 5:34PM last night and I have recovery notifications for this morning at 11:16AM)
Thanks
----------------------------
IP Address: 71.76.239.xx Andy
StaffPosted: 11/30/2008 20:49 Hi Ryan,
Unfortunately our SLA applies to network uptime and not power or hardware related.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
-------------------------------
The New York NOC Inc.
www.thenynoc.com
Visit our new forums! [url]

So……99.9% SLA does not cover if no one is in the datacenter to reboot the box because it is off-line…..I thought SLA’s covered your box being on-line, am I wrong?

So now after too many corruptions to count, support taking longer and longer in between responses I am left looking over my books. Last year alone between Thanksgiving and the following Sunday I brought in roughly $2300 dollars in sales. This year for the past 4 days I have brought in $10…… I have had some longtime recurring customers so I asked them for any feedback on what we could do to earn there business again. Out of 40+ people all but one stated that if I could fix the sites downtime they would return (the other responses was of course to lower prices). Second suggestion they had was to fix my e-mails from ending up in their spam box. Yes I was sold ALL dirty ip’s which had all been blacklisted. Some major isp’s worked with me and allowed me in…(some)

Before I get flammed for choosing these guys, they truly were great up front so obviously I got fooled. I have no doubt they are great for some people but I simply can not drive my business into the ground because I went cheap and in the end got what I deserved. I moved to futurehost today and almost **** myself when a response ticket was answered in under a minute (kinda scary for a low priority ticket).

With this said, before you consider NewYorkNoc simply ask yourself if your business or site is important to you, if you can afford to lose business, and if you want constant downtime along with mysql corruptions daily. I am not saying they are the worst as they were helpful at first. Just EXPECT that when the deal is that good, you are being oversold. There is no other explanation in my books.

To sum this up:

Uptime: 3 out of 10 (there were up sometimes)
Customer Service: 2 out of 10 (would have given higher I did not have to repeatedly e-mail over the backend issues)
Price: 10 out of 10 (admit it, the price point these guys have is good)
Value: 1 out of 10 (I made a bad choice, I lost a ton of money in business and now have to work hard to recover my losses and rebuild relationships)
Recommend to others: 2 out of 10 (why 2? This place might be good for offsite backup maybe?)

This review is NOT out of spite due to my recent downtime. This review is merely my opinion and personal experiences and not written to bash NYNOC. If your happy with them then you are doing well. If you are considering them…….I urge you to think elsewhere. All my data is off the VPS and I am running before the backend crashes again corrupted my DB’s.

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