How Do You Deal With Too Much Bot Traffic
Oct 28, 2008
Recently I noticed the load on one of my servers way beyound what I would expect it to be. I run multi processor servers and even during a backup the load is only around 1.5.
But lately I noticed peak loads that high under normal web traffic.
I know 1.5 is low on an multi processor server, but I am hoping to add much more to those machines and with sustained load that high it leaves no room for expansion. The servers are not cheap, so adding another server to the cluster can only be done if I make money from the last one I added.
I checked the traffic levels and they were very high. After further review I had some bots hitting sites at over 1200 pages a minute. Multiply that by a few hundred bots and clearly I could have a load issue. The potential is there to bring any server to its knees when delivering those volumes.
I created programing to watch connections and block the abusive bots. While logging I became aware of over 600 bots crawling my servers. Many bots from, Japan, China, Germany and so on and on, useless to my customers even if they are legit search indexes.
Another problem I see is that the bots are running from many ip addresses and hitting the same sites from multiple ips at the same time. Why would the need to do that?
Among other things I decided to validate googlebot, msn and yahoo with dns lookups so I could determine that they were actually their bots and not imposters. In 24 hours I found valid bots from the big three hitting one server from 1100 different ips.
Now we are looking at thousands of vaild bots and thousands more email harvesters and content theives.
As a host, the number of sites I can host on a server is greatly reduced by the bot traffic. My customers do not want to hear that their website was being crawled at 3,000 pages a minute and that is why they could not access it. Of course they will blame it on me.
I was able to filter the bots at a firewall level and drop connections based on reverse dns lookups and site crawl rates and my server sits around 0.05 most of the time even with hundreds of pages a minute being accessed.
I am wondering how the rest of you hosts deal with this problem. Do you leave it up to your hosting customers? Or do you have some type of filter to get rid of the bots.
When you have a few sites it is not really a problem, but as you grow it grows exponetially out of control.
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Nov 15, 2007
What traffic monitor would everyone recommend for sites that have as many as 5,000 to 10,000 hits an hour?
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is this a good deal for a sever for $69 a month
320GB STORAGE
3,000GB MONTHLY TRAFFIC
2.6Ghz AMD PHENOM II X3
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how do i prevent the hosting company from significantly raising my monthly cost?
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I have a 100 mbps unmetered dedicated server + cpanel = $425 in 10TB.com and I would like to hear if you guys can advice me on a better deal, I have seen lately great offers for less, so I wonder if I am paying more than the average for a 100 mbps unmetered dedicated + cpanel. I don't complain service is good, well theplanet was better but even more expensive.
I have an adult video site so all i need is bandwidth.
I appreciate your feedback on current prices and what i paid there. $425 for unmetered 100 mbps dedicated + cpanel is okay? paying a lot more? After all 10tb is a reseller, so should i go to another reseller that charge less?
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My site is hosted on Dreamhost and gets over 1 million hits a day. The site is highly optimized, so it can handle the load easily without slowing the server down. Most pages have a loading time of under 0.2 seconds.
However, Dreamhost is telling me now that I'm using up too many "connections" and have limited my connections to 150 every 3 seconds (or so they say). Now 503 errors are coming up left and right, and its highly annoying to me and my users. Oh, and Dreamhost has mentioned several times that I'm oh such a very good candidate to upgrade to $400/mo dedicated hosting (from $8/mo currently).
So my question is, is this connection restriction really a valid concern of Dreamhost or are they just trying to milk me for money because my site is popular?
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we have a dedicated server licent who host a big forum with 1G big SQL size
Dual Xeon
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Cpanel server and cpanel auto backuo
load is always under 2 and ram is MORE than enough.
everytimes auto backup run, his forum HANGS due to large size of SQL at least 10 minutes.
Issue is that he targets at 2 very different time zone , he expects NO downtime/HANGS at all
how to deal with this big SQL dumping issue?
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In this php page, I dont have any code related to mail. But the header is clearly showing
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id 1HIhVz-0006CN-0l
for kris.bodine@okstate.edu; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:35:23 +0700
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Subject: Good Day
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Reply-To: vic-tommy@hotmail.com
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e.g on a 32bit Ubuntu system I had to switch to gcc-3.4, instead of 4.0.3 for compilation to succeed.
Is there any place I can try and have this issues resolved when they arise?
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We've been searching the last days and found some other companies (ex 10TB.com). Are there any other companies that would offer something as 'good' as fdc regarding bandwidth?
10TB says they use softlayer's DC but it seems they don't use their network (got that information on a chat with SL's sales) so in my opinion there is no benefits to be on SL's DC if we don't use their network which is really good/stable. We've found that 10tb.com is a new company and their site has 404 and incorrect contact e-mails address which made we 'quit' the signup process.. (and because it is hard to 'trust' a new company with lot of bandwidth - and errors on their website - when there are others on the market for a long time that couldn't offer it).
What do you think about 10tb.com? Other options? What about fdc? Is it worth going with them to host streaming ? We need as much bandwidth as possible, but we also need quality.
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1066FSB 2GB RAM ECC
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Server 2 (the cheapest):
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Server 3 (medium price):
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We'd go for reliability over cost. Is anyone running anything like this?
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I run and maintain many websites on a shared server (ICDSoft)
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Nov 15, 2007
This company is going down hill as far as I am concerned. There are too many other options out there than to waste your time with this company. They used to be great... I have set-up 3 accounts with them and referred others there as well... I also have a web designer friend who uses them all the time is also becoming concerned. He also said that their security certificate is expired.
My problem is a large percentage of emails sent to me from various addresses are now rejected by their server and I am receiving phone calls from numerous people saying they can no longer email me. Onsmart refuses to address the issues and has been extremely rude and unhelpful. The error messages clearly say they are rejected by them.. go figure? They are not willing to help me with the problem and are at the point of ignoring me as well.
I switched hosts (did not have a choice) and I am now receiving flawless performance. Peter one of the Reps closed a chat window on me after replying with a rude comment and Sandy then came on with no greeting and took forever between replies. Personally I have done nothing wrong but unfortunately they do not feel that way. You get the feeling they sit around complaining about you when you have a problem. Here is the chat log right after being "hung up" on by Peter. Save yourself the hassle they are the most unreliable host I have ever dealt with and have the worst customer service.
Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.
Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Sandy'
Sandy: hi (note there was a long pause here)
myname: Hi there... I was in the middle of talking to Peter and then it said chat ended?
Sandy: ok (even longer pause here)
myname: I am sure you are getting frustrated with me but I am really trying to find out why I am receiving numerous calls ect why people cannot send emails to me?
Sandy: Please hold while I check on it.. (they always say this and do nothing)
myname: thanks
Sandy: I've send email to xxxx@xxxx.com
Sandy: and its deliverd properly
Sandy: here are logs from server
Sandy: 2007-11-14 13:29:58 removed for privacy
myname: Thanks I realize that. I can send emails to myself aswell. But am not sure why all of a sudden people who regularly email me get these error messages along with new people. I know it is easy to blame them which I would love it if it was the case.
myname: Do you know why it may be happening to them?
Sandy: or our server IP address blocked in their network
Sandy: so many reasons not to get emails
myname: I know but honestly if you had an email address you have been using for almost a year and then 5+ of people you know say "hey I can no longer send you emails..." wouldn't you be concerned? I'm not trying to be difficult I really don't think this is their problem but just don't know what to do...
myname: I haven't received your email yet either...
myname: ok I just received your email... (like 5 minutes later)
Sandy: did you check xxxx@..
myname: just got it
Sandy: humm..
Sandy: ok
myname: I understand this is a weird problem I am sorry. I am sure you feel that everything is working but I honestly don't believe it is. I appreciate your time but as of now my emails don't work all the time.... can you contact me if you find anything cause clearly this isn't going anywhere...
myname: I think I may need to find another host if this persists.... see ya
Sandy: did you check through webmail
Sandy: ok
myname: I tried that
Sandy: ok
myname: They werent there either
myname: if you find out anything just let me know. thanks
near the end of the chat I was waiting minutes to receive a response... couldn't help but feel they were trying to get me to close the window.
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Mar 7, 2007
Something happened to me lately that forced me to think about this (please note, I am not a host): I noticed an unauthorized charge to my credit card by a shady online company that I probably should have never done business with in the first place.
I did a whois, and got their host information, IP, etc. And I was wondering what the procedure normally is for informing hosting companies about fraudulent clients.
Furthermore, what steps do hosts take to insure that frauds do not scam others as well. If I submit enough evidence to them, can they take any action?
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Mar 6, 2007
I represent a small software development company out of Bellevue, WA. For the longest time we had our server (3U rack) based in Sunny Southern California. We were paying $150/m for 3mbit connection with six IPs. We use the server for work as well as hosting a gaming community. We'd host half-life 2 servers for friends and family for the longest time.
We began to go over our monthly bandwidth allocation limits late last year and had to shell out for the overage charges. Not a big deal. However, a good friend of one of my associates said he could get us free hosting up here in Seattle if we moved our machine.
I was skeptical, but he said he knew someone who was an employee at one of the major datacenters here in Seattle and that she could get us in as long as we hosted her website. We moved our box in November of 2006. It is now March 6, 2007, and we just received word that we've been had. I guess the employee at said datacenter broke some rules and as a result lost privilages to host her own private machine.
So, while she was busy leading us along, we were basically frozen as a small start-up company as our servers were offline and our ability to function without this machine online was greatly hindered.
So, today I was turned onto this website as a place to find answers to questions about hosting. Well, here's my question.
Does anyone know of anywhere in the Pacific Northwest and/or Northern California that provides affordable hosting and quality service? We're looking for rack space for our 3U server and a 3mbit connection. Ideally we'd like more bandwidth than this as 3mbit wasn't enough at our old location... however, considering the amount of loss we've taken during this disaster, we'll settle for anything. We also only need 1 IP, but more wouldn't be a bad thing.
The key word here is affordable. We are starving college kids and hosting is expensive.
We're quite desperate, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Again, we're looking for cheap/affordable hosting sollutions in the Pacific Northwest that meets the above requirements.
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Apr 21, 2009
What would you prefer and why?
Would you prefer 6 free months on a new sign up.
OR
A special built package that is loaded with things for a good price?
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Jan 1, 2009
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Mar 26, 2008
if this is a good deal on internap colo?
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Jun 11, 2007
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You'd take a cut of profits made for helping, plus the idea is just damn cool.
You need to have:
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Feb 23, 2007
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I'm up Games for Windows VPS servers with VMWare Server ESXi and wonders whether some option to control the traffic of each IP, I thought about using a "Cisco ASA 5500" but I do not know if it has this option:
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IP 192.168.254.1 = 100GB monthly.
IP 192.168.254.2 = 50GB monthly.
Etc. ..
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I want to be able to monitor (with statistic) and cap traffic on 3+ servers.
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and how to make such a monitor redundant so if it fails the network is not cut off from the world?
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