Ganging Up On Cabinet Colocation
Aug 25, 2007
When looking at the 1U's, I have to search really long and hard trying to find a half-decent host. A lot of companies skimp on something when offering colo, and makes for a bad day when that particular service is needed.
On the other hand, I see a lot of colocation offers for great deals on Cabinets and half Cabinets. High, premium bandwidth, PLENTY of amps, top of the line support, etc. It would be tempting to go for these, except I only have a single unit server.
I was going to give up on finding a good colo, then I got an idea. What if I got together a few other people, we all pitched in for our slice of a cabinet, and bring the price well within reasonable limits for those of us with low demands?
Would it be too difficult to do something like this? If you run across this topic and are looking for colo, would you be willing to give this a shot?
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Feb 15, 2007
Here are my requirements:
A. Space: 1/2 a secured cabinet
B. Location : Bay area
C. Power: 8 amps
D. B/w: 1 Mbps
I got quotes from
A. www.bayarea.net for 1 cabinet with 20 amps $699
B. www.he.net for 1 cabinet with 15 amps $600
C. www.svcolo.com/ for 1 cabinet with 15 amps $695
I am wondering who can give me 1/2 a secured cabinet for around $300 to $400
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Jun 29, 2007
Just wanted to get some opinions. I assume you are trying to colo, and you will fill 1/2 rack in 1 year. I have two options:
1. Get 1/2 rack, 20amps first and get another one when full.
2. Get full rack, 20amps and add 20amps later.
The first one will save $250/mo. The second one will give you redundancy and privately your rack/cabinet.
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Jul 31, 2009
Anybody have a good source for APC cabinets? I need a full truck-load of AR3100.
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Mar 24, 2008
I have a guesstimate, but I wanted to check with someone more knowledgeable.
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Aug 16, 2007
Lets assume I have the following equipment Hardware Firewall, Switch, 1U KVMoIP, 1U server and a 0U APC Switchable Power strip.
So there is 1 FastE ethernet drop.
Code:
FastE
||
Firewall
||
Switch -> KVMoIP
-> APC
-> Server
Of course, then
KVMoIP
||
Server
My question is, which comes first after the FastE drop, firewall then switch or vice-versa?
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Apr 23, 2007
providers who might have a cabinet available at PAIX?
We just got a great deal on a Gig circuit to PAIX, but the carrier doesn't have space available.
We'll probably to putting in a 6506 - so at least half a cabinet, most likely a full one.
We don't need bandwidth, just a cabinet and power.
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Jul 31, 2009
if I rented a half, or full cabinet for colocation. And would wanted Cogent was my isp for the cabinet how much do they charge?
Days they take to setup?
Costs to setup? (Setup fee?)
I know their pricing 100Mbps for $1,000 which is pretty crazy deal. And if I would go on their contract would it save me a setup fee?
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Jul 20, 2009
I currently use a half cabinet and think I'm paying way too much. I pay $1,000/month for half rack (10 meg bandwidth) 20 amps power, etc. Service and connectivity has been great (Ashburn, VA data center) but I think it's just over priced.
What should I pay for half cab, 20 amps, 5-10 MEG bandwidth, 20 amps?
On that note, what if I was to go for a full cabinet solution, same power and bandwidth, what is ultimately the expected price for a reputable colo provider?
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Jun 25, 2008
I use APC Netshelter cabinets now; I have a need for some cabinets with 23-inch wide rails, capable of holding telco muxes, rectifiers, batteries, etc. Any suggestions on cabinet?
Something that would blend in with APC Netshelters (black, bowed/curved door on cold aisle) would be nice. I know I've seen a cabinet very similar to Netshelter delivered from NetApp, but with a grey/off-black color, and 1-piece door on the hot aisle. If APC is just sourcing their cabinets from some manufacturer who takes engineering requests, it would be great to find out who makes them.
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Mar 1, 2007
I'm planning to move my co-located server to a cabinet soon. We are adding dedicated web & database servers to take the load off of the main box. I will get one GigE drop in this cabinet, so obviously I need a switch.
No routing is needed on my end, so my guess is that the regular GigE switch would do just fine. But I have few concerns about my setup.
All of my servers have dual GigE port. My plan is to connect one to the internet, and another to a local private lan for SMB, database, SNMP, and such. Jumbo frame is enabled on a private lan.
Is there any 16-port switch that allows me to assign 8 ports into one virtual switch (1500-byte frame) and another 8 into another virtual switch (9000-byte frame) ?
On the internet side, I expect to be pushing around 300-400mbps, a bit higher on the private lan. I need a very stable switch that won't choke or crash at this rate.
I'd also like to be able to limit throughput on each port, and probably do port/ip filtering on this switch instead of iptables on each box. (Am I asking too much for a switch?)
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Aug 11, 2007
If I colo a full cabinet with anyone like colo4dallas, calpop or any other random host:
Does it mean they give me a cabinet I can put my servers in
OR
Do I have to bring my own Cabinet?
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Feb 25, 2009
Where is the best place to buy shelves for a dell cabinet?
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Nov 1, 2007
I'm about to move 31 machines into a 42U full cabinet
Previously I was on an uncapped bandwidth provider but we had a lot of problems with them so I decided to find a new provider who charges bandwidth by mbps
I do not have mrtg installed or managed switches, but I may start with 10mbps.
But I'm just curious, what takes a full cabinet with more than 30 machines does the total bandwidth takes you.
Perhaps any colo provider here don't mind to share their stats.
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Mar 29, 2007
What do you think about this cabinet style's ability to cool say 18-20 1U core 2 duo servers? [see attached jpeg.]
its got a fan in the ceiling of it. I have read that ceiling fans don't do much and its the front to back cooling that really makes a difference. Is this true?
If you don't like this type of cab, which type do you like?
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Nov 20, 2007
I'm currently colocated in 365 Main in San Francisco.
Due to power limitations there I need a new place with 1-2 cabinets, about 25Amps and 1-2mbps committed.
I'm looking for a long-term, reliable, 24x7 NOC, with no surprises. If my servers are down, I'm out of business, so uptime (power+network) is the most important factor.
I will summarize the recommendations I get and post them back here.
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Oct 11, 2009
Please do share if you know of a 10TB colo offer in either east or west. I know co-location is bandwidth-based but this is what we're looking for right now. Here are the requirements:
10TB (up and/or down) transfer on at least 100Mbps port
Good uptime history (BGP mix, A/B redundant power feeds, redundant hvac, etc)
Friendly crew (willing to help rack up 1U's if it's remote)
20A circuit (willing to consider 10A)
Access to KVMoIP
Ethernet drop
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May 4, 2007
I am getting a full 42U, and have option for 2 post rack and 4 posts cabinet. Meanwhile I know 4 posts cabinet is more secure, but the vendor is good enough, and the difference in price is around $150/month, which one should I use?
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Oct 4, 2009
Is there a "premium" for colocation space in cabinets which are taller than 42U? I'm putting some cabinets into a datacenter cage, which I will lease to 3rd parties as colocation cabinets, and there is plenty of height below the ceiling (about 290 cm). I could put in 42U cabinets, but I could go taller, up to about 48U.
The cabinets will have about 10 kW delivered to them (8 kW usable per cabinet), but the UPS is sized for an average load of 5 kW per cabinet. Cabinet depth is 1200 mm. There will be cable tray 10 cm above the cabinet.
If you were going to colo 5 kW of equipment (average) per cabinet, would 48U cabinets have value to you over 42U high cabinets?
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Jan 20, 2009
I found a couple of phrases mentioning them here on WHT, both praising and negative. Can't make up my mind.
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Aug 23, 2009
I'm soon going to purchasing a rack server from Dell, and have been looking into the options of basing it within the UK, as it seems best.
I've looked into the Rapid switch data centre in Berkshire, aswell as Blue square in Maidenhead.
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Jun 13, 2009
I'm with is looking to colo 2 x 1RU servers in the US, so looking for suitable colo facilities.
We definitely want to buy, own and manage the servers ourselves, so we're after colo & bandwidth, not server rental.
As we're new to colo in the US, any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Servers will be 2 x quad core CPU, 8GB RAM, 2 x SAS HDDs, 1 x PSU, so we'll obviously need a facility able to provide the required power at a reasonable cost.
We'll need 4 network points, 2 for each server (1 Internet, 1 LOM).
Bandwidth wise, we're expecting to start with low demand, but grow steadily over the next two to three years.
Ideally we're after flat rate bandwidth in the order of 512Kbps - 2 Mbps, aggregated across the network points, with no excess usage charges.
95th percentile billing is also an option, but less preferred - we'd much rather know we have a fixed monthly OpEx, instead of the unpleasant surprise of a large excess bandwidth bill!
We're happy to look at other bandwidth options, so long as they provide a fixed monthly cost, and let us scale at a reasonable price, as we need it.
We'll like a /28 of IP space - 8-10 usable, but may be able to get away with a /29 if it's the make or break decision.
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Sep 17, 2009
I am looking to colo a 1U server in a DC in North Carolina. I would need a 10Mbit line un-metered or a metered 100mbit.
I could negotiate on the bandwidth if its not possible in NC .
I have been researching for a while and the DCs here are very very expensive so far...
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Oct 9, 2009
I've recently acquired a 1U rack mount server from eBay. I believe it kicks some butt...and now I am thinking about looking for a colocation provider to host it for me.
It's for my own websites, not web hosting or storage. I don't need any sophisticated control panel, as I've pretty much made my own. I only need enough IP addresses to have my own name servers and one for all of my websites (I don't need each site to have a unique IP). I don't need any management help as I can manage my own servers. A simple data center control panel with the ability to hard reboot my server would be nice.
However, if the provider charges anything above $70-$80, I can just rent a dedicated server for around the same price. I know the dedicated server would not have the same features and hardware as my server, but if I'm providing the server, why should I be charged the same amount as if they were providing me with a server?
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Apr 22, 2008
I'm trying to figure out my whole DNS situation now that I switched over to colocation. I have 2 servers, one hosts multiple sites and the other is just a backup.
I'm not sure what to do with DNS hosting. I could either host my DNS on both the servers (ns1,ns2 main server ns3,ns4 backup server). Does this mean if the main server goes down (ns1,ns2) it'll start using ns2,ns3? If so, can I just have ns2,ns3 point to my backup server IPs and traffic will just resume on the backup of the main server goes down?
If I go with a service like DNSMadeEasy.com, can I just point my main domain's name servers to ns1.dnsmadeeasy.com, ns2, ns3, etc.. and then point all my other domain's name servers back to my main domain OR would I have to point all my individual domains to dnsmadeeasy's name servers?
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Jan 8, 2008
I have several servers on datacenters.
I was wondering, I always did, that is would be so much nicer to own the hardware. I looked for colocation prices in the past but the prices where allot higher then to rent from a datacenter.
Is this really so?
Is best to buy the hardware and send it to a colocation service or to rent a specific harware.
The colocation prices are normally per Mbit, that means there is not montly GB limits, you can go as fast a the switch allows?
How can you test if you are really getting the speed, any guarantee.
Also what happens if a hard disk fails? Do you have to buy one on overnight and send it to the datacenter? They will charge you for installation i suppose.
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Jul 1, 2008
We are looking for reviews of colocation companies offering quarter racks at BlueSquare, or another data centre in the south of England. We are based in Dorset and as far as we can tell the nearest data centres are in Bournemouth (not open yet), Southampton (don't know too much about those) and Maidenhead (BlueSquare, where we currently colocate a couple of 1U servers).
Companies we have been considering are connexions4london, a1isp and netrino but we are a bit short on information about their reputations. Reliability is the single most important thing to us, we are not necessarily looking for the cheapest, but for somebody with a good history of service level.
Can anybody tell us about their experiences with any of these companies? I heard about some trouble with Netrino last year but nothing recent, and also a that a1isp use netrino, can anybody confirm or deny that? We have also spoken extensively with connexions4london but we would have to sign up for at least a year - which we would be happy to do if we knew their service was great.
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Jan 29, 2007
I have a few questions which I'd like answered if possible.
Firstly, I understand 1U is the space in the rank etc etc -- my question is, does one server usually fill up one 1U?
What is meant by premium bandwidth? is that a type of bandwidth charge? is there any other types?
What is meant by 5mbps?
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Jun 7, 2008
could anyone explain to me what colocation is?
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Jul 14, 2007
with a decent article as to what colocation is? I have been looking and havn't been able to determine it. I'm trying to do some research as to why my web host is being .... difficult.
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Oct 24, 2007
I've been noticing always that colocation seems to be much more expensive then with leased dedicated servers, especially when it comes to the A). connection size and B). transfer bandwidth given to you. So has anyone seen good colocation pricing (anywhere in the US or Canada) that has these specs? Leased dedicated servers are at these low of prices, so why not colo?
1U Server around $100 to $150 /mo: 1000-2500 GB (or unmetered) Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
Anyone seen any $500 to $1500 /mo. for a full cabinet with these specs:
Full Cabinet / Rack (20 Amps or 40 Amps): Unmetered Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
When dedicated server places like softlayer say that your server is on 10Mbps or 100Mbps, does this mean it is 10Mbps shared among many servers or is it dedicated with your server? Many colocation facilities quote prices with 1Mbps dedicated for the prices I mention above.
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