Dell, HP Or SuperMicro
May 30, 2009
The technical level in our org is quite low.
We would like some advice on the difference between
1. Supermicro PDSML-LN2
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2. DELL PowerEdge R200
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3. HP Proliant DL120
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Some web hosts here in Singapore are leasing them at comparable rates.
Our research shows that the Dell and HP are comparable and the SuperMicro appears to be in a different (lower) class.
How can the servers be leased at comparable rates if they are from different classes?
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Jul 22, 2009
I know this topic has been brought up before and I wanted to revisit this again. We are a growing hosting company looking to expand our Dedicated server offerings. So far, we have been renting servers and reselling but now we have begun colocating our equipment and are looking for hardware vendors.
Would you recommend us to...
...build our own servers using the Supermicro platform?
...purchase pre-built servers from Dell?
...purchase pre-build servers from HP?
Pricing is of major concern along with speed to provision new orders. Although we don't have a dedicated resource for putting together servers, this is something we can look into should the volume of orders increase. Scalability and Flexibility is a MUST
Thanks for chiming in...
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Apr 26, 2007
configuration on Supermicro hardware and dell hardware, the pricing is pretty much the same 100+/- so thats not an issue.
But I am having a hard time to decide if I should go with supermicro or dell.
But here are the points which I have in mind.
- As far as dell goes, there is a central place for support, for example, if I have any issues, I know who to call exactly and get the issue solved, no resellers involved. If I go with supermicro and buy the hardware from a 3rd party, I dont know who to go to for support say a Motherboard fails or if I have any other questions, should I ask Supermicro themselves or the reseller?
- Has a DRAC card which I've heard is much more powerful than IPMI and I've heard Supermicro has no hardware for remote management as powerful as DRAC, I dont know how true that is.
- If I need any parts I know where I have to go to order them and what exactly to order since they have specific parts for specific server models, I dont know about supermicro.
I know, most of my points are benefiting Dell. But I've heard from the research that Supermicro hardware use less power and have less hard drive failures than Dell Servers, I dont know how true that is.
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Oct 17, 2007
Will a Perc 5 raid card work in a non-dell Linux server? These cards can be found for about $100 on eBay, and are much cheaper than the Adaptec cards with similar features and ports.
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Aug 21, 2007
PowerEdge SC1435 Dual Core AMD Opteron® 2212; 2.0GHz,2X1MB Cache,1Ghz HyperTransport 143G20 [222-6400] 1
Operating System No Operating System NOOS [420-6320] 11
2nd Processor Single Processor Only 1P [311-3928] 2
Memory FREE UPGRADE! 2GB, 667MHz, 4x512MB Single Ranked DIMMs 2G4D6P [466-7879] 3
TCP/IP Offload Engine Enablement Broadcom® Dual Port TCP/IP Offload Engine Not Enabled NTOEKEY [430-1765] 6
PCI Riser Riser with 1 PCIe Slot PCIE [320-4982] 7
1st Hard Drive 80GB 7.2K RPM Serial ATA 3Gbps 3.5-in Cabled Hard Drive 80S2 [341-3801] 8
Primary Controller Onboard SATA Controller - No RAID OBSATA [430-1949] 9
Network Adapters On-Board Dual Port Gigabit Network Adapter, No TOE OBNIC [430-2008] 13
CD/DVD Drive No CD/DVD NOCDDVD [313-3924] 16
Bezel Bezel FRTBZL [313-4477] 17
System Documentation No Hard Copy Documentation, E-Docs ONLY and OpenManage CD Kit EDOCS [310-8261] 21
HD Configuration Onboard SATA, 1 Drive connected to Onboard SATA Controller - NO RAID MST1 [341-3957] 27
Chassis Configuration No Rack Rails Included NORAIL [341-3089] 28
Hardware Support Services 1Yr BASIC SUPPORT: 5x10 HW-Only, 5x10 NBD Onsite U1OS [980-9530][985-5117][985-9057] 29
Installation Support Services No Installation Assessment NOINSTL [900-9997] 32
Power Cords Power Cord, NEMA 5-15P to C14, 15 amp, wall plug, 10 feet / 3 meter WAL10FT [310-4450] 38
why do Dell's none dell rack rail cost $249? Can i buy the rail for dell from ebay? i saw a dell rail cost only $140 on ebay.
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Sep 14, 2009
I have a couple of Dell 1950s and in one of them, I have 2x Seagate 15K.5s that I purchased through Dell and I also have a spare sitting in my rack in case one goes bad, also from Dell.
I was going to be repurposing one of my other 1950s and was going to get two more 15K.5s for it, but wasn't planning on getting them through Dell (rip off?). This way, could still keep the same spare drive around in case a drive went bad in that system as well.
When I was talking to my Dell rep recently when purchasing another system, their hardware tech said you can't use non-Dell drives with Dell drives in the same RAID array because of the different firmware between them.
Anyone know if it is true? Anyone have any experience with using drives from Dell in conjunction with the same model drives from a third party retailer?
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Apr 13, 2008
I have many years of experience with Intel (SR1325, SR2200, SR2300, etc) and HP ProLiant DL servers, and have come to love HP. Their ILO2 remote management/power/KVM/VirtualMedia feature is hands-down the best I've used, and for me it's been 100% rock-solid reliable (unlike the horror stories heard about Dell DRAC cards flaking out and locking up when you need them most).
Now there's something shiny catching my eye-- the Supermicro 1U Twin systems.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/1UTwin.cfm?pg=1
Given my long positive history with HP, I'm reluctant to consider another brand, but it is hard to ignore double-density servers with colo prices (rackspace costs, not just power costs) spiraling upward.
I would love to hear from folks who have used both HP and Supermicro boxes in production. Specifically, about reliablity of the Supermicro platform in general AND about the reliability of their IPMI management modules even under Murphy's Law situations. The last thing I need is not to be able to remote-console or power cycle an unresponsive server because the IPMI card is flaky.
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Jul 11, 2009
Looking at 512L-260B's with some good old SuperMicro P4SCi's in there.
Is the MCP-310-18009-0N the airshroud I need for it?
If so, will it also work if I was to upgrade to something like an X7SBL-LN1?
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Aug 10, 2009
I've been having a look at a lot of boards and Tyan seem to be beating Supermicro in terms of range at scan.co.uk
I've seen some unique features with Supermicro such as Remote KVM and such built into the motherboard, but it only seems to be with the very pricey series unless I'm looking in the wrong direction
Anybody have any thoughts to share about which is the better manufacturer?
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Mar 7, 2008
Where are some good vendors to buy SuperMicro servers? Are all SuperMicro servers pre-configured or can I create one to my specs like I can with Dell?
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Apr 22, 2008
I am interested to find out if anyone out there has hooked up an EMC SAN to a supermicro box running Redhat Linux. Fiber Channel implementation would be great but would love to hear opinions about iSCSI as well. I was told that EMC doesn't support Supermicro boxes and while that may be true I would like to know if anyone there has tried it.
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May 25, 2008
I currently have a few servers which I bought previously from eBay. They are not very good specification wise, so I am planning to swap them all for a single server. I have managed to find all my wanted components apart from the Case.
Does anyone know any reliable SuperMicro case provider in the UK?
Or perhaps recommend an alternative reliable case manufacturer.
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Apr 27, 2007
getting in contact with 2 Supermicro Vendors , One in the UK and One in the USA or possibly just one in the USA that will ship to the UK also.
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Aug 1, 2009
I've got some new servers and there is two of them that works fine ONLY with the standard kernel that comes with CentOS 5.3, while if I tried to install any new kernel (via yum normally) it doesn't boot up because of a kernel panic saying "Kernel panic: not syncing: Attmepted to kill init!"
I tried reloading the system and same issue.
A screenshot is attached from the console while trying to boot up with any of the new kernels and panics.
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Nov 7, 2009
I received a chassis from SuperMicro today. It came with a translucent thin piece of plastic (about as thin as a piece of paper). The plastic has holes cut out that are roughly the same as the holes in the mother board. What is this thing? Is it just a guide so you know where to put the mounting screws?
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Oct 8, 2009
We are testing this motherboard out for future use and are having trouble getting RAM that doesn't cause it to throw a RAM error. It does a no RAM beep, has no video, etc.
Supermicro has no compatible sticks listed for 4GB DDR3 1333Mhz DIMM ECC Registered, and we are currently using Crucial CT51272BB1339
Anyone using this board with 2GB DDR3-1333 ECC and 4GB DDR3-1333 ECC?
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Sep 1, 2008
I have 4 SuperMicro servers, all of them have a problem with network dropping out 3-5 times a day, moreso during high use periods, and moreso on the servers with higher usage.
The graphs of network speed I have show the speed dropping to 0. All of the servers have this problem. 1 of the servers is a 6015 with 2x Xeon CPU, 16GB ram, RAID10 4x500GB. (don't have the exact model handy). The other 3 are 6015B-T+ with 1x Xeon CPU, 4GB ram, 2x sata drives.
These servers host game servers. The bandwidth usage on these boxes ranges from 1-5 Mb/s. CPU usage is anywhere from 10-30% during the dropouts.
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Apr 22, 2008
Currently I am building a new server based on this chassis:
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In this chassis, I am going to be using an ASUS M2NPV-VM motherboard [url], and I'll be installing a 3ware 8006-2LP RAID card.
I just want to make sure that that RAID card will work with that motherboard, and also I want to verify that the Supermicro CSE-RR1U-X riser card is the correct model for this motherboard and RAID card.
I've got a couple of basic servers built in the supermicro mini 1U (CSE-512L-260B) chassis, but I've never had to deal with riser cards before, so I wanted to make sure everything is compatible and is going to fit correctly before I purchase them.
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Jan 17, 2008
Supermicro power supplies today and found something odd.
There are several 2U chassis that are listed as having 700W redundant power supplies. I thought this meant that there are 2 power supply modules, each rated to 700W.
However, if you look at the power supply matrix here:
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Under 2U, the options for redundant power supplies are 500+500W or 400+400W or 350+350W. Does this mean that each individual power supply is only rated to half of the total power. For example, 700W redundant power supply = 2x350W individual power supplies?
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May 30, 2008
I'm considering putting together a new set of servers...
My primary goal is to have IPMI and 16GB of 32GB of RAM in a system. I'm wanting lower-cost systems. I don't need a ton of CPU or anything special on disk (2 SATA is all I really need).
My previous generation of systems was PDSMI+ with 8GB RAM and they have been working great... but time to see if I can put together some budget 16GB of 32GB servers.
Anyone have some combos of motherboard + RAM to recommend?
(I'm open to Tyan or other server motherboards, even AMD or Intel)
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Nov 28, 2007
Getting down to deciding my barebones set up..
here is one I am teetering on..
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It has 4 hot swap bays (sas)
dual xeon thingee
sas hdd raid controller
ecc memory support
2 lans
520watt power..redundant...though I think it is a littel over 2 amps when pushed.
Although I am looking at just geting the same MOBO and building it, there is not much of a price difference that I can see..
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Feb 17, 2007
I am having alot of difficulty trying to setup supermicro IPMI.
I am using motherboard PDSMI+.
Ok, so this is what I did:
1. I flash the IPMI card with the cd-rom that is included. I set the correct IP and MAC address.
2. I then install OpenIPMI-tools
I was able to successfully issue the command locally:
ipmitool sensor
but, when I try to connect remotely I always get a connection failed. I tried everything I know, which is nothing and got no progress.
I set the ipaddres and gateway by using this commands:
ipmitool -I open lan set 1 ipaddr [IPADDR]
ipmitool -I open lan set 1 defgw ipaddr [GW IPADDR]
ipmitool -I open lan set 1 netmask [NETMASK]
ipmitool -I open lan set 1 access on
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Feb 10, 2007
Been out of touch for a couple months on software issues and back to hardware.
Has the PDSMI+ been replaced by a newer board?
How are they holding up?
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Feb 8, 2007
some cables for the SuperMicro SC512L-260 case. I believe these are the correct part numbers:
CBL-0084L - Converter cable for front panel connector for non-SuperMicro motherboards
CBL-0044L - Serial ATA Cable that is compatible for use with limited space to plug into hard drives
We'd also be open to a different Serial ATA cable that would work with the case.
We're having trouble finding these in Atlanta. We'd prefer to either pick them up tomorrow, or buy them today and have them overnighted to us in Atlanta.
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Nov 3, 2009
Has anyone been able to find any compatible RAM in 2G DIMMs for the SuperMicro X8SIL motherboard running either Corei7 or X34** LGA1156 processors? And what about reasonably priced 4G modules? I just want to make sure to purchase the right RAM before moving to a setup with this board / processor. Unless the RAM for this is crazy priced, I really don't want to go the Core2 Quad route when for about the same I can go with the newer LGA1156 stuff. But I have seen where people are having issues with RAM compatability and availability.
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Nov 7, 2009
we have some supermicro 6016-MT with 4 x SATA2 Harddrives, and would like to use raid 1/5/10.
On Dell, its very "easy" to find a raid controller, and i have never been worried about this before, but with supermicro im a little confused.
Server: supermicro.com/products/system/1U/6016/SYS-6016T-MT.cfm
I was looking at Adaptec 3405, ( adaptec.com/en-US/support/raid/sas_raid/SAS-3405/ ) but are not sure if this is the right card for this server. Is this overkill or to small a card for a 4 disk 1u server?
About cabling: On Adaptec's site they state
"Cable: one Mini SAS x4 to (4x) SATA fanout cable w/ sideband (2247000-R), 0.5 meter"
But are this cable the correct one for a server like this with backplane and everything, or should i look for a special cable? if so, anyone know what i need to order?
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Aug 7, 2009
We have a large number of the 2U SC832 and SC833 cases from Supermicro that have been real workhorses over the years and some have had various motherboards in them as time went by. All of them are 5-7 years old and we would like to keep using them, but are concerned about the fans in the power supplies getting worn out and failing. Anyone have the source for good high quality fans that would work in these 400 and 550 watt single power supplies?
Anyone have an idea of what the normal life of one of these power fans is? All of them have been in good datacenters from there first use.
Since I know there are a lot of Supermicro users on this forum I figured this would be the best place to ask.
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Jan 14, 2008
does anyone know what desktop motherboard can it fit? prefer AMD desktop motherboard.
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Feb 17, 2008
I want to use Core2quad on X7SBA supermicro mobo. And as have few RAM's in stock of this model
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Was wondering if this RAM will be compatible to this motherboard.
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As it mentioned on sheet of this mobo that
Intel® Xeon® 3000 Sequence and
Core™ 2 Quad / Duo Series in LGA775
Package (FSB 1333/1066/800 MHz)
Up to 8GB unbuffered ECC / non-ECC
DDR2 800/667 SDRAM
But want to make sure.
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Mar 27, 2008
Which is the best place to purchase SuperMicro servers from, Germany or some other European country? Mind you that they will be deployed in Germany!
I am in search of SuperMicro servers as you can read from the title. What I need is to purchase 6-10 SuperMicro servers which will eventually be deployed in Germany. So the question here is whether it would be more suitable, with regards to prices, to purchase the servers from Germany or from some other European country that has better offers?
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Dec 13, 2008
I have a bunch of servers with IPMI cards with KVMoIP capability and I know how to configure IPs and everything using IPMICFG.EXE while the system boots.
Now, I am facing a dilemma as to how to create the IP space.
When I create a user I specify the user has no access to change the network (IP) info.
But say the user has windows server, are they able to change the IP from there using IPMICFG.EXE?
This will determine how I create my VLANs.
If the client with USER access is able to change the IP settings using IPMICFG.exe then I have to create a /30 VLAN for each KVMoIP. I dont want to do this cause 3 IPs are wasted.
If the user will not be able to execute IPMICFG.EXE then I can just create one big VLAN and assign one IP per IPMI card with the gateway being the same for the entire big VLAN.
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