About Terms On Colocation
Sep 8, 2007
Colocation is complete new to me. Because of the speed limit of the broadband in my house and unaviabily of DSL I have to conisder colocation.
Please shed me some light on negotiating terms with the Colo company;
- do I need to purchase a rack from the colo company to install my server
- electricity - is it central supply and I don't need installing power-supply on the server
- can I make access to my server in day time for repair
- is there speed limit on the broadband connection to my server
- what other terms I have to pay attention to
etc.
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Jun 29, 2008
i go to fdc server for colocation i see something like :
1U = $39 than 1Mbps dedicated Internap = $15/Mbps ?? What does the 1Mpbs mean ? Does it mean i pay 30x15x1 = 450$ per month for bw alone ? and extra $39 for space of 1 u and power?
Also what does 95th percentile mean, please provide examples in terms of numbers if possible.
Also is there anything bad if you get 2Mpbs bw charged at xyz$/Mpbs? Example of bad "slow downloads" "slow sites" , say i have 600KBPS home connection, will i be able to download off such a server @ 600KPS max or close to it or will it be only 200KBPS max maybe?
I am sure new players who want to colocate also get confused with all the terms and the price? Examples with numbers of what kind of bw's are available would help.
Also if i order a server say from dell, what parts do you need to order ? Like example bezel? Rails? etc. etc.....
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Sep 11, 2009
Heads Up.
Forget everything you've learned about Windows Server "authenticated" and "unauthenticated" licensing for your monthly SPLA reports. The game has completely changed, and NOT for the better.
Microsoft has changed to "outsourcer" and "non-outsourcer" licensing instead.
Quoting Microsoft:
Quote:
"Outsourcing is an application or service that a service provider manages for their customer. For purposes of this definition, the managed application or service is:
(a) Used by its customer's employees, contractors, agents, or vendors
(b) Not the service provider's intellectual property
I contacted MS directly for clarification on how this applies to webhosting. The response was, if the service provider is (and I quote), "simply managing the infrastructure layer and not managing anything else... in other words just keeping the lights on", that is non-outsourced.
If you are providing any software or management of the environment, even something as simple as Windows Updates or other basic management tasks on the server-- which is the case, for example, if you are running a shared webserver, then it is "outsourced".
Your email server is providing a service that is considered an outsourced service, and you must report (and pay for) an "outsourced" license for that server.
And here is the bad news.
Under the old terms, the Datacenter edition of Windows Server (which allows unlimited VMs at no additional charge on the machine where the license is assigned) cost just under $50/month.
The new "outsourcer" Datacenter license is nearly $250/mo. Yes, you read that right, a whopping 400% monthly license fee increase for Datacenter edition.
A single copy of Windows Server Standard edition is over $75/mo. when used in the outsourcing role.
Other pricing and terms have changed as well, so grab a copy of the new SPUR and READ it. All it takes is a moment of uncertainty to put you wildly out of compliance under this new layer of insanity.
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Jun 12, 2008
In their terms of service, they state that if files over 500kb exceeds 10% of the space your uploaded files, you are violating their Acceptable Use Policy and will suspend your account.
This is clearly out to fraud their clients because if you upload 10 large pictures and put them on a website along with a simple HTML page, you are effectively breaking their terms. So watch out for these tricks.
I have been a client of WHB since 2002. I use them just for a couple of galleries and such through the years. Recently, I made a business that serves MP3's for a couple of my clients. I bought a their plan for 300GB and 2TB transfer. I knew that they weren't selling 300GB nor 2TB transfer so I read their AUP which stated that they were really selling about 10% if you want to host files greater than 500KB.
I used about 15GB of space and and 30GB of bandwidth a month which is 5% of the disk space and 1.5% of the bandwidth that they claim to give you. This is clearly not abuse under any interpretation. However, it violates their AUP and I have been suspended.
I could have fill up 150GB of their disk space with garbage HTML files to accomdate the AUP but I would consider that abusing their service.
Beware of their AUP when you want to host with WHB. Make sure that you understand the terms or else they have the upper hand.
I was not doing any sort of annoying activities such as emailing, linking a zillion domains, using CPU time, breaking copyright, or otherwise abusing their service.
I'm only writing this to warn people of the potential pitfalls in using WHB. If any of you recommend a web host that isn't out to get you with questionable terms, please post it because I have to move my website and files. My budget is about $30 a month.
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Jun 3, 2007
Can I know whats the definition of the following :-
1.Rackspace
2.Private Rack
3.Private Cage
4.Private Suite
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Apr 25, 2007
I understand how it works because I use it at my full-time job.
But in the web design business one of my clients has expressed interest in setting up exchange service so they can access their webmail and calenders, etc., from home PC's.
i currently am hosted on Hostgator. I can create a subdomain webmail.thisclient.com --> then what? Do I just upload the ecxhange server ( I have the software) to the website? What else do I need to do?
I have never implemented an exchange system before. If it is too complicated I will just source it out if the client decides to go ahead with it.
Any advice? Again, really not sure of how it operates. Can I even do this through hostgator or do I need a specific host?
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May 31, 2009
Our org is in a position to modify/customize the standard Service Terms & Conditions offered by one of our webhosts.
Our org has around 70 staff and only one IT guy. So the technical level is very low. I'm unsure of exactly how many servers there are perhaps around 10 and they are with 3 different providers.
We discovered that different departments were being charged different prices for similar services and that kind of thing.
useful modifications of the contracts, that reflects the low tech level of the staff,
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Apr 23, 2008
what is the best server hosting company that i can get speed from to the midle east --?
i have houge files that i want to store on my server and let people download them att maxemom speeds
so what is the best company that can do that?
xlhost?
powerserver?
or what?
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Jul 10, 2008
While dedicated server providers are quick to promote that they support the server hardware how proactive do you expect them to be in terms of identifying hardware problems?
When hardware goes bad a customer might see performance problems and report it, or perhaps notice hardware errors in the logs.
Or is it the host's job to be monitoring hardware components status? Would you consider such monitoring to be part of the basic service or an optional management extra?
I'm interested in your expectations with a typical dedicated server.
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Oct 4, 2009
Is there a "premium" for colocation space in cabinets which are taller than 42U? I'm putting some cabinets into a datacenter cage, which I will lease to 3rd parties as colocation cabinets, and there is plenty of height below the ceiling (about 290 cm). I could put in 42U cabinets, but I could go taller, up to about 48U.
The cabinets will have about 10 kW delivered to them (8 kW usable per cabinet), but the UPS is sized for an average load of 5 kW per cabinet. Cabinet depth is 1200 mm. There will be cable tray 10 cm above the cabinet.
If you were going to colo 5 kW of equipment (average) per cabinet, would 48U cabinets have value to you over 42U high cabinets?
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Jan 20, 2009
I found a couple of phrases mentioning them here on WHT, both praising and negative. Can't make up my mind.
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Aug 23, 2009
I'm soon going to purchasing a rack server from Dell, and have been looking into the options of basing it within the UK, as it seems best.
I've looked into the Rapid switch data centre in Berkshire, aswell as Blue square in Maidenhead.
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Jun 13, 2009
I'm with is looking to colo 2 x 1RU servers in the US, so looking for suitable colo facilities.
We definitely want to buy, own and manage the servers ourselves, so we're after colo & bandwidth, not server rental.
As we're new to colo in the US, any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Servers will be 2 x quad core CPU, 8GB RAM, 2 x SAS HDDs, 1 x PSU, so we'll obviously need a facility able to provide the required power at a reasonable cost.
We'll need 4 network points, 2 for each server (1 Internet, 1 LOM).
Bandwidth wise, we're expecting to start with low demand, but grow steadily over the next two to three years.
Ideally we're after flat rate bandwidth in the order of 512Kbps - 2 Mbps, aggregated across the network points, with no excess usage charges.
95th percentile billing is also an option, but less preferred - we'd much rather know we have a fixed monthly OpEx, instead of the unpleasant surprise of a large excess bandwidth bill!
We're happy to look at other bandwidth options, so long as they provide a fixed monthly cost, and let us scale at a reasonable price, as we need it.
We'll like a /28 of IP space - 8-10 usable, but may be able to get away with a /29 if it's the make or break decision.
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Sep 17, 2009
I am looking to colo a 1U server in a DC in North Carolina. I would need a 10Mbit line un-metered or a metered 100mbit.
I could negotiate on the bandwidth if its not possible in NC .
I have been researching for a while and the DCs here are very very expensive so far...
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Oct 9, 2009
I've recently acquired a 1U rack mount server from eBay. I believe it kicks some butt...and now I am thinking about looking for a colocation provider to host it for me.
It's for my own websites, not web hosting or storage. I don't need any sophisticated control panel, as I've pretty much made my own. I only need enough IP addresses to have my own name servers and one for all of my websites (I don't need each site to have a unique IP). I don't need any management help as I can manage my own servers. A simple data center control panel with the ability to hard reboot my server would be nice.
However, if the provider charges anything above $70-$80, I can just rent a dedicated server for around the same price. I know the dedicated server would not have the same features and hardware as my server, but if I'm providing the server, why should I be charged the same amount as if they were providing me with a server?
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Apr 22, 2008
I'm trying to figure out my whole DNS situation now that I switched over to colocation. I have 2 servers, one hosts multiple sites and the other is just a backup.
I'm not sure what to do with DNS hosting. I could either host my DNS on both the servers (ns1,ns2 main server ns3,ns4 backup server). Does this mean if the main server goes down (ns1,ns2) it'll start using ns2,ns3? If so, can I just have ns2,ns3 point to my backup server IPs and traffic will just resume on the backup of the main server goes down?
If I go with a service like DNSMadeEasy.com, can I just point my main domain's name servers to ns1.dnsmadeeasy.com, ns2, ns3, etc.. and then point all my other domain's name servers back to my main domain OR would I have to point all my individual domains to dnsmadeeasy's name servers?
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Jan 8, 2008
I have several servers on datacenters.
I was wondering, I always did, that is would be so much nicer to own the hardware. I looked for colocation prices in the past but the prices where allot higher then to rent from a datacenter.
Is this really so?
Is best to buy the hardware and send it to a colocation service or to rent a specific harware.
The colocation prices are normally per Mbit, that means there is not montly GB limits, you can go as fast a the switch allows?
How can you test if you are really getting the speed, any guarantee.
Also what happens if a hard disk fails? Do you have to buy one on overnight and send it to the datacenter? They will charge you for installation i suppose.
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Jul 1, 2008
We are looking for reviews of colocation companies offering quarter racks at BlueSquare, or another data centre in the south of England. We are based in Dorset and as far as we can tell the nearest data centres are in Bournemouth (not open yet), Southampton (don't know too much about those) and Maidenhead (BlueSquare, where we currently colocate a couple of 1U servers).
Companies we have been considering are connexions4london, a1isp and netrino but we are a bit short on information about their reputations. Reliability is the single most important thing to us, we are not necessarily looking for the cheapest, but for somebody with a good history of service level.
Can anybody tell us about their experiences with any of these companies? I heard about some trouble with Netrino last year but nothing recent, and also a that a1isp use netrino, can anybody confirm or deny that? We have also spoken extensively with connexions4london but we would have to sign up for at least a year - which we would be happy to do if we knew their service was great.
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Jan 29, 2007
I have a few questions which I'd like answered if possible.
Firstly, I understand 1U is the space in the rank etc etc -- my question is, does one server usually fill up one 1U?
What is meant by premium bandwidth? is that a type of bandwidth charge? is there any other types?
What is meant by 5mbps?
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Jun 7, 2008
could anyone explain to me what colocation is?
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Jul 14, 2007
with a decent article as to what colocation is? I have been looking and havn't been able to determine it. I'm trying to do some research as to why my web host is being .... difficult.
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Oct 24, 2007
I've been noticing always that colocation seems to be much more expensive then with leased dedicated servers, especially when it comes to the A). connection size and B). transfer bandwidth given to you. So has anyone seen good colocation pricing (anywhere in the US or Canada) that has these specs? Leased dedicated servers are at these low of prices, so why not colo?
1U Server around $100 to $150 /mo: 1000-2500 GB (or unmetered) Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
Anyone seen any $500 to $1500 /mo. for a full cabinet with these specs:
Full Cabinet / Rack (20 Amps or 40 Amps): Unmetered Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
When dedicated server places like softlayer say that your server is on 10Mbps or 100Mbps, does this mean it is 10Mbps shared among many servers or is it dedicated with your server? Many colocation facilities quote prices with 1Mbps dedicated for the prices I mention above.
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Jul 24, 2007
I've been using dedicated servers for past 2 years.
I'm a Usenet reseller moving to setting up Usenet Provider.
For Usenet peering with two residents in AMS-IX, I probably require a cross-connect, require at least 4u space with at least 50Mbit. All I can find is companies like Ohtele.com and true.nl who have a "presence" there with IP transit, what exactly does that mean? If I wanted a cross-connect to an AMS-IX resident, my server(s) must also be in that datacenter, correct?
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Nov 6, 2007
Lately I hv found many reference on colocation. What is meant by that?
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Feb 22, 2007
A friend of mine gave me a brand new machine he got from work. Its a medium sized desktop case, p4 2.8ghz, 1.5GB of ram, and 2x 40GB IDE Hardrives. Its not anything special, the ram is DDR and the proccessor is the old socket 478.
I am thinking about co-locating this machine. My home computer has much better parts then it so it is useless to keep at home. I already have a laptop as well as my PC so I don't need a second computer at my home either.
I have looked at some co-location prices, sent out a few emails and it looks more expensive then getting a dedicated server from the company. I thought co-location was cheaper then a dedicated server, but it seems like I am finding different.
This server is going to be used to host a few websites of mine, as well as be used to host a gameserver or two. I don't have a problem being a system administrator, I am currently managing my VPS as well as my friends dedicated server.
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May 3, 2007
I am hosting a commercial website that is consuming about 1.5Mbp/s of bandwidth on a monthly basis (95th. %). The site consists of (6) 1U Dell servers. I am currently seeking a colo provider in the downtown NYC area where I can rent a 1/4 rack. I am looking for a very reputable provider, but don't necessarily need the "gold standard" in colo providers as cost is definitely a factor.
My questions are as follows:
1. What is the general range of pricing that I should expect for a 1/4 rack at say 2Mbp/s of bandwidth? I have been getting quotes from around $500 to $1000, but wansn't sure exactly how to evaluate them.
2. Do I need to purchase a rack-mount keyboard/monitor drawer, or does the colo facility usually provide a cart or similar?
3. Is is better in the long run for me to provide my own firewall/vpn solution or is this something that the colo facility would typically provide for me?
4. With regard to DNS, is this normally a colo provided service or am I better off using a 3rd. party service. If the latter, any recommendations?
5. Any recommendations for quality colo providers in the downtown NYC area?
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Mar 16, 2007
I currently have Dedicated servers here and there with different companies but one of my sites is out growing its current setup and is growing at a rapid rate so its going to get expensive to run if i just have multiple dedicated servers so I have started to look into colocation.
The down side to colocation for me or from what I have seen is Limited Support compared to dedicated support.
However I do pay a company that will help me with the upkeep of my servers and will advise me on what I need so really now im looking at prices.
To start with I will be looking to host:
2X
Dell PowerEdge 1850 1u
2x Xeon 3.4hz 1m cache
2gb Ram (2x 1gb dimms)
2x 146gb U320 hot swap drives
Raid
CD Drive
Floppy Drive
2x Gigabit Ethernet
**Anyone have a price on a server same spec as above?**
Now I would prefer to find someone who provides the following but if not then could point me in the right direction to purchase:
(Hardware must be able to handle atleast 8 servers of the above spec as I see me expanding to this within 6 months to 1 year)
Switch
KVM
Remote Reboot
Firewall
**Anyone have a price on the hardware above? must handle atleast 8 servers**
Bandwidth - 100mbit
I would say I would like around 2,000gb bandwidth per server
So to start with that would be approx 4,000gb as I would be hosting 2 servers.
Support:
I would like to try and find a host that offers a fair amount of hardware support
I think for the moment thats about all im looking for advice / prices on.
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May 28, 2007
what colocation is? I know its cheaper than a box but what happens if you purchase this?
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Oct 17, 2007
Can I have some suggestions/recomendations of colocation facilities in the Reading area or more generally in Berkshire?
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Feb 21, 2007
I got an old 1u rackmount server off ebay to use as a home server for some small programs and to test on. Its a Compaq DL360 G1.
CoreNetworks has 1u colocation with 1 TB of bandwidth, remote reboot, and IP KVM access for only $17.95 a month. I was thinking about getting this when they start selling it, but this would be my first server to colocate and I had a few questions.
The server came with rails to mount it on, but would I need to send these also? Or would the datacenter provide their own rails? The server has screws on each side to attach to the rails.
Picture: here
Also, would I just need to pack up the server and ship it? Nothing else is needed?
I know these questions probably seem silly, but I'm new to colocation.
(And please don't post about how they could never sell colocation for $18. I'm not asking about the company )
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Jul 2, 2007
I just got a free 2U Dell PowerEdge 2550 server, and I'm thinking about colocating it. A buddy of mine got three for free and offered me one. Of course I took it .
I've had a few dedicated servers in the past with Sagonet, but I'm totally new to colocation. I'd imagine that colocation is cheaper than getting a dedicated server since I'm providing the hardware, but after doing some preliminary research, this doesn't seem to be the case.
I'm a college student, so probably the most I could dish out would be $50/month. I'm not sure if this is even possible. I'm looking for a data center in the MA/NH area.
Anyone have any advice or suggestions as to a data center or reseller where this may be possible? I certainly don't want this server to go to waste sitting in my basement.
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