Which Dedicated Webhost Rackspace, Peer1, Liquidweb, Webair?

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im looking to spend $1000USD per month on a dedicated windows server (mission critical). But not sure which one to go with, which one is reliable rackspace, peer1, liquidweb or webair?

p.s I dont really need managed webhosting, mainly require a good network with 100% up time, hardware support and server monitoring alert.

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The Planet, Rackspace or Liquidweb

I have a couple of customers recently, and find that I would like to put their sites into a dedicated server environment. Which is a better provider in terms of support and reliability? These companies do seem to be the more reputable ones. What are the important things to look out for in the servers?

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I know there are a few threads that are somewhat similar, so I apologize from that aspect, but since I am still not sure of the best option, I thought I would post my exact requirements and hopefully get some good advice.

We need a Windowss dedicated server, probably in the 8 core/8gig RAM variety for a rather intensive Asp.net/MS SQL site. It is a corporate site that is expected to see heavy usage with fairly heavy DB/reportng related web pages.

The majority of people accessing the site will be connecting from Europe.

We will have little, if any, need for management support of Windows or IIS, we are primarily looking for reliable hardware, with quick hardware repair when failures come, and in a redundant DC to avoid downtime (hardware or internet pipe).

The price difference between rackspace and the others does not concern us, so price while a consideration, is towards the bottom of our list of priorities.

As our users are in Europe, a European DC would probably be ideal, but that is one question I have. How much difference will performance/latency be with an American DC vs. European DC for our European users.

English speaking (native language, preferably) support is a must.

A High powered machine (minimum would be 8 cores x 2ghz + 8 gig ram) is a must (possibly two servers -- possibly a router based load balancing of the two servers).

Fast, reliable/redundant internet pipe. We need a DC that will not be unreliable, wether it is from internet outages due to lack of redundancy, or speed fluctuations due to overselling the bandwidth.

So, basically, I have two main questions, I suppose.

First, since the majority of my users will be in Europe, should I only consider a European DC? How much difference will my European users see/feel if we are in a US DC? What difference does it make if the DC is on the East cost, then say Texas?

Second, with price not being a primary consideration, and needing little or no managed support (besides hardware support), just high power machines in a HIGHLY reliable DC, which are the best companies to go with?

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I have a dedicated server, intel xeon, 4 gb of ram, and 2,000MB bandwidth and pay $1,400 per month. I feel that is over-priced, how much are you paying?

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1. a fully managed dedicated server such as Wiredtree provides. This will roughly cost me between $250 and $350/month.

2. go with Rackspace Cloud. Take advantage of their $100/month and then just pay as you go as traffic increases.

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I help a not-so-much-tech-savy friend running a busy wordpress website (50-70.000visitors each day) and a bit busy vbulletin forum (100 to 350 users online, 957 record), which is hosted at LiquidWeb since a month.

I got the server with a WHT special, is a AMD X2 5000+ , 4gb ram, dual sata raid1 hardware + third backup disk, cpanel fully managed.

I am not usually in the market for fully managed dedicated servers, because I am quite expert in running unix boxes, but as my free time begins to decrease I had no longer the time to help my friend every day, even for a simple httpd.conf vhost configuration change, so I thought to switch to a control panel fully managed server, so when I am not available he could write to support to have issues solved, without him waiting for me.

I decided to choose LiquidWeb for this project for several reason:

1) Sales person (M.Leven) replied to my pre-sales question very fast, and in a convincing way.
2) Network speed test was good
3) Price was very affordable. I used to pay 260$/mo for a dual core, 2gb ram, 2x160gb sata disks (raid software), unmanaged, no control panel, hosted in the UK.
For 1$ less than the previous price at LiquidWeb I got:
- Slightly slower cpu
+ Double Ram
+ Control Panel license
+ Hardware Raid and an addictional backup disk (3disk total)
+ Fully management.
And the network differences with europe DC are not so big like I thought before.
4) It's a big solid company, they own all their equipment. While this is not a factor by itself (look at some horrible big companies like godad and 1und1), it's a plus if you're already sure of the quality, compared to a smaller/personal company.


So, order process went smoothly, I have got my server in maybe 8 hours after a phone call which welcomed my friend to liquidweb (and verified the identity).
We have been happy to not need to provide a ID scan (as most previous hosters who lost my business did), because we are afraid of identity thefts and I won't ever send my IDs overseas. A phone call is enough (landline phone number is on the white pages anyway so it would easy to match with a name and more secure than requesting a easily-fakeable ID digital copy).

After I got the server I have begun setting everything up, and moving the data using rsync. I enjoyed the PIMS user area where you have a complete breakdown of your server load, bandwidth graphs, reverse ip control and else, with stats updated every minute.

The day after (once the rsync was done) I tried to setup the websites, and this is where I encountered my first (and unique at the moment) problem with LiquidWeb.

Their server "custom engineering" was not so good as I expekted.

Mysql was very slow to run, even at importing files, because was using default settings (very conservative on a 4gb ram server!) so I created a custom my.cnf file and everything went smoothly (I hope they're able to do this on request for customers, since they're a full managed provider).
After I switched DNS, I realized SuPHP/PHP-cgi was causing extremely high loads, from 7.00 to 15.00 ... So I compiled Apache 2.2.8 (now updated to 2.2.9) and PHP5.2.6 dso (mod_php) with my custom options, and cpanel built-in eaccelerator support, now my average load is 0.60-0.70

I understand that if you want a more secure php environment you need to bear a performance tradeoff, but this was too much (10-20x)!

I think that the only liquidweb fault is not stating clearly that if you choose their sever-secure package with su-php / php-cgi, and you run an intensive PHP application, then your performance would be severely degraded.

I hope this is not a way to upsell better hardware to customers, but I am confident it's not the case as most people won't buy a load balancer and a couple of addictional servers for sure, they will simply go away, so it's not in their best interest to provide slow servers.

I think they should provide a choice or at least a complete information if you want an hardened server:
1) Slightly hardened (apf+rkhunter+someotherstuff), but with mod_php and without those very restrictive mod_security rules: best for performances and compatibility.
2) Highly hardened, with php-cgi, strict mod_security, with a warning for the user of the possible performance problem if they run really busy php websites.

Anyway, once I optimized my apache and my websites, I had not any further problem, and my website is running smoothly. So that's the only negative thing i can warn any users about Liquidweb.

Support: Always very responsive, fast and competent answers. Unlike most provider claiming "fully managed" this is really proactive. Once I was upgrading apache and forgot to turn 80port monitoring off. They proactively contacted me in less than 5 minutes to ask what was going on, and to request my (changed) root password if I wanted them to check.
When I reboot my server or shutdown apache for a while I often see their ssh login from a .liquidweb.com box.

Network : Well, the surprising thing is I am really happy with the network. It's surprising because I live in southern europe and I am never happy with most USA locations (why not host in Europe? Because is too expensive indeed, dollar is so cheap nowadays). Liquidweb facility is amongst the fewer ones I have been happy with in several years (the other ones being Ashburn, VA; NAC, NJ and Fortress ITX, NJ), so I hope they keep a premium network this way. I push 3.5mbit/s on average, with 12-20mbit spikes.

So in the end I would raccomend LiquidWeb for the overall price/quality ratio, if you are in the market for a fully managed dedicated server with a control panel.

I hope our experience will keep being good as it is. If this will not happen you will be the first to know ;-) I have almost never been sweet with hosting providers in the past on this forum, but at the moment really I have nothing to complain about LW service, so let's hope it all keeps that way.

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I came across a handful of posts from 2005 and 2006 about problems in NYC, and there are two or three people on WHT who seem to have long-standing issues with Peer1, but I haven't found a single thread labeled "Peer1 outage" or "Peer1 downtime", which -- considering the size of the company -- makes them seem very stable.

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