Overselling Web Hosts - Benchmark Review Idea
May 3, 2008
I'm interested in creating a small website exposing the biggest overselling companies, and how their overselling practices are false marketing.
Simply put, I want to benchmark each host with exact tests for accuracy. Any idea how I can fairly test each host, e.g. benchmark?
After the tests have been performed, I will explain which are the worst hosts (e.g. the first to give me the boot due to some TOS clause, e.g. cpu usage), etc.
Also, would anyone like to help out with this project? I'll be putting some nice marketing into it.
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Apr 2, 2008
I was in the market for a new dedicated server after a couple of years with my previous provider. The previous provider did nothing wrong but they were no longer competitive when it came to CPU and memory.
I moved first to geekrack. And I left them after a week and a half as they never were able to get my rDNS records setup.
I found Universal Hosts on this forum and gave them a shot. I had asked for an operating system that they didn't offer normally (Debian 64 bit) and they said that they could do it. However, when my server was setup it was 32 bit Debian instead. They apologized and had Debian 64 bit setup less than 24 hours later.
When I asked them to get rDNS records setup it took a few hours but they were setup correctly and they worked.
Universal Hosts is also a BurstNet reseller but compared to my other attempt at using a BurstNet reseller they are fantastic. While the initial config was incorrect they worked quickly to fix it and were very professional about it.
So after two weeks - so far so good. Keep up the good work UniHosts!
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Jan 18, 2009
With all the web hosts out there people must be like "Which is best?" Well here is a review of some of the big names out there in web hosting.
GoDaddy.com:
GoDaddy’s web hosting packages come loaded with features. GoDaddy is proud of their world class data center and physical services, and reasonably so. GoDaddy actually owns their hosting facilities, which feature state of the art security and advanced backup technology for complete and competent network servers.
Each GoDaddy hosting plan comes with web site statistic tools to help you keep an eye on how your hosted page is performing. Setup is absolutely free, and includes access to the GoDaddy.com Hosting Connection, where you can interact with other GoDaddy users and find free applications to use on your web site.
Each GoDaddy hosting plan also comes with a variety of free software and credits to help you get the word out on your site. The Deluxe plan that we reviewed includes a $25 Google AdWord credit, a $50 Microsoft adCenter credit, and a $50 Facebook credit.
GoDaddy provides other tools as well for further adding function to your site. You can host forums on your GoDaddy website, start a blog, and show off your photos. And while GoDaddy doesn’t include a free shopping cart, they do have e-commerce solutions available, including merchant accounts and the Quick Shopping Cart.
Customer Service:
GoDaddy has a variety of help and support options available, and they’re accessible all of the time. The online support forum and FAQs section are well organized and contain a wealth of knowledge for beginners and advanced users alike.
GoDaddy service representatives can also be contacted on the phone, or through email. GoDaddy is a large company with several users, so personal help would be expectedly slower than others. However, GoDaddy’s support team is quick to respond, and the expected response time for emails has significantly decreased since our last review. The 10 to 12 hour response time has been cut down to 1.
Control Panel:
GoDaddy helps beginners easily set up their site, and includes additional tools for advanced developers to work with. GoDaddy also offers a variety of professional site building services and designs for additional fees. Regardless, all GoDaddy solutions support several programming languages. The deluxe plan we reviewed supports CGI (Python and Ruby), PHP, Perl, ASP, MySQL, ColdFusion, and FrontPage extensions.
Most functions within the Account Management tool are similar to other control panels. In addition, with GoDaddy.com you can perform account management tasks, email management, web security, database setup and management, and manage statistic tools.
Summary:
GoDaddy is a worthy competitor and worthwhile web hosting service. They provide all the essentials and then some, complete with secure facilities. The setup process is straightforward, and GoDaddy has an option for all levels of management, from beginner to expert. Though not as complete as a couple of our other reviewed web hosting services, GoDaddy has what it takes, and is definitely a great option.
Article from here
HostGator:
Hostgator, founded in 2002 is one of top shared hosting companies, ranking consistently among the best by most of the review sites. What makes hostgator stand out from the crowd is their excellent support and customer friendliness. If you are not satisfied with the support, you could even get hostgator president Brent Oxley to personally take a look at your problem.
Hostgator offers linux hosting only(even though they are expected to start windows hosting in the near future). All their packages come with all the features needed for a serious website. Baby and Swamp packages allow unlimited domains(add on), which makes a lot of sense if you have multiple websites. They use cPanel, which is the best control panel around. You get Fantastico script installer which will install most of the popular open source scripts with few clicks.
They support PHP4 & 5, SSH, Cron jobs, Python, Ruby On Rails etc. Also, all the packages include enough POP3 accounts(20 for Hatchling and unlimited for others).
We started realtime testing of hostgator uptime on Feb 2008. The test is done on a site hosted with hostgator, using a third party uptime monitor service. Overall, hostgator had been the best performing host from all the hosts monitored. They provided consistently high uptime, month after month. There has never been a single case of site being down for more than 10 minutes at a stretch. Hostgator indeed lived up to their reputation.
They have three hosting packages starting from Hatchling ($6.95 pm) to Swamp ($14.95 pm). The price is reasonable for the features and space/bandwidth provided. Recently Hostgator increased the space and bandwidth to unimaginable levels. They also reduced the price of all plans, by introducing 24 and 34 month pre-payment options. The monthly payment now have a small set up charge and is costlier than 12 month rates. Our advice - don't get excited by the unlimited space and bandwidth. They do have limits on file numbers(inodes) and CPU usage to make sure that only reasonable sized accounts remains in the shared servers. But for any site with a reasonable traffic, hostgator plans are more than sufficient. You obviously can not expect a site with few million page views a month to run on a shared host, no matter what bandwidth they offer.
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May 25, 2009
So much for 24 hour chat support at pdthosts.com. I waited 3 hours and still nobody answered my chat. I guess they stay online to appear available even though nobody is there to answer the chat.
I've attached a photo of my chat window.
Has anybody else had bad experiences with them?
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Jul 11, 2008
I hate to give reviews before trying out the servers and all related issues such as support and network but what i have faced so far really pissed me off and left me with no choice but to write down my review.
They Confirmed all dedicated servers will be delivered 72-96 hours upon purchase.
First: I have ordered one of their dedicated server on the 4'th of July, i expected not to get any response due to the holiday.
Second: 7'th of July, still no reply to my ticket, another ticket opened and still no reply.
Third: 9'th of July...Finally a reply from their support telling that my server is finished but they need to install the modules i asked for. SO i expected an extra few hours to get my server.
Fourth: 10'th of July..Nothing so far, i have emailed them and complaining the delay and not having any response from their side, they replied and confirmed that i will get my server later today so i had to wait.
Fifth: 11'th of July ..NOTHING delivered, i opened another ticket asking for a refund but NOTHING so far...
it has been 7 days since i paid and received NOTHING but promises, they told me at the beginning that my problem is related to hardware failure but give me a break you are a hosting provider and should always have a replacement.
ANYWAY, i don't know what to expect when i get my server, hope what i have faced is just a delay no more BUT 7 Days really is a big time.
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Apr 6, 2008
WHT has been a useful resource for me when looking for hosting, so I figure I'd contribute back. I am including every detail that I can remember from my interactions with uni-hosts. Hopefully this will help some people looking for VPS.
I signed up for uni-hosts Xen VPS (512 MB memory, 50 GB disk, 500GB bandwidth @ $32/mo) in late March. The server was set up to my satisfaction (just plain CentOS) in 30-40 hours, well within their quoted 24-72 hour setup time. I opened a low-priority RDNS ticket, which was closed in 60 minutes, and the DNS entries finished propagating in the next day or two, as expected.
The next day, I installed SELinux on my CentOS VPS since their installation didn't come with it. I forgot to relabel the filesystem before rebooting, so I locked myself out (/bin/bash wasn't labeled as a shell). It took uni-hosts 11h 15m to respond, which I think is pretty good because it was my fault anyways, I was only paying $32/mo, and fixing it required access to the console (since I broke SSH). The fix, which I provided them, was just two commands (touch /.autorelabel; reboot), which it seems they did run, but somehow they screwed up all the system binaries in the process. Almost any command would just freeze (yum, rpm, top, ...) no matter what parameters I gave them. They reinstalled the OS for me two hours later -- pretty quick. Later that day, after setting up SELinux again, I configured iptables. I accidentally applied the policy too soon, and dropped my SSH connection. I opened a ticket for them to run "/etc/init.d/iptables stop", which they did in a fairly prompt 70 minutes. This concluded the initial setup of my server.
Four days later, I noticed that the clock was wrong. They fixed this 8 hours later. (Why couldn't I set the date myself? Xen guests have their clocks pegged to the host clock by default, so date -s has no effect in the guest. Never having used Xen before, I didn't find out until later that you can echo something into /proc to unpeg the clock. Last I checked, their host clock is in the year 2003 again...)
Pretty good up to this point.
Three days after that (1 week after I signed up) there was an outage. I got a response to my ticket in 1 minute (!) telling me I'd get an update shortly. I don't know when the outage began, but it ended 35 minutes after I first noticed it, and when it came back up my VPS had been rebooted (bad -- I had some files open). Note that they claim 99.9% uptime -- that's 44 minutes of allowed downtime per month.
One day later, there was another outage. I don't know when it began because my VPS wasn't responding when I woke up that morning. I filed a ticket and received no response, not even information about what was going on, until the issue was resolved.
Uni-hosts was not responding to pings during all of that time; I received the first ping response 10h 54m after I noticed the outage.
The network was up most of the morning after the 11-hour outage, with some intermittent brief downtime. However, that afternoon, an 11h 29m outage ensued. Shortly after connectivity was restored, I received an email from them telling me where I could direct any credit requests (I did not ask for this; they offered voluntarily). I canceled service and got my refund in a prompt two days.
It might be helpful to note that they told me this was a "hard drive and network" issue. Even if multiple concurrent failures took down their RAID, it shouldn't take two days to get the server back up.
In summary, I feel like this is a you-get-what-you-pay-for host. They are pretty cheap compared to some of the other ones out there, and their hardware and infrastructure seem to show it. However, the impression that I get from the support staff is that they do try their best to satisfy the customer, though their expertise may be lacking in some areas. I have been impressed with their support staff and think that they did a good job, especially at their prices.
One word of caution -- they claim live chat and phone support, but those don't exist.
You can only open email tickets. Also, they claim 99.9% reliability but there isn't an SLA or other agreement, so there's no way of enforcing this. Caveat emptor, but they're not out to screw you or anything like that.
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Mar 5, 2008
I bought a server from them
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1. Uptime:
They guarantee 99.9% uptime. The uptime was great till Feb(100%), but they've had a power failure in February...causing about 2 hours of downtime. However, I'm happy with that as well because they offered me $50 credit I expect they could have my server pulled down every month for 4 hours(so that i get a free server ...lol jk)
2. Support:
There isn't a response guarantee. Sometimes "replies" are made within minute, sometimes it could take "much" longer. though, there are only 3 people for support as I can see, but the resolution time is EXCELLENT. They've a priority support, for reboots only, which is excellent when you're in hunt for a reboot. Though, I have my server with a remote reboot port, so I never needed anything else.
I'm not sure if they do this all the times, but they've installed few 3rd party scripts for me as well.
3. Hardware:
Only 2 months to tell. But I never had anything with hardware, neither major nor minor.
4. Network:
I was willing to get 1 Gbit port, but it is "very expensive". My suggestion is to lower the prices, or you won't be having any one with 1 Gbit port
The bad part....have your website updated...regularly. Even your website presently doesn't show up the latest deals you've been doing.
LiveChat and an Emergency phone number is a plus...Great work guys...Keep it up!
I hope I can have similar deal now you gave me a couple of months ago :p
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Apr 1, 2009
I want to understand the Idea of DDOSING
If I have a server with a a gb /second port so no one can DDOS me ?
or if the hacker have a servers with a gb/ port he can destroy any thing ?
second question
sometimes people hjave ip tables to filter all the packets to the server these people some times go down for ddosing too WHY ? why the IP tables cant filter the packets of this type of DDOSING?
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Jan 26, 2008
I am trying to benchmark my server until it gives me a ISE.
I have tried:
ab -n 1000 -c 20 [url]
and it didn't do anything.
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Feb 19, 2008
I have several VPS's that I run. Some run LAMP, others RoR, and my latest runs with Nginx + Cherrypy (python).
To be honest, I've never run any benchmarks to see how well the servers performed under stress. But I'd like to start.
Are there are good (free) programs out there that will stress test my web servers? I develop on windows, but deploy on linux, so either platform is ok. I'm most interested in how many concurrent connections can be maintained.
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Nov 19, 2008
I don't have raid in my dedicated box as it's usually way more expensive. Instead I have two drives. I use one for OS/data and one for backups. I do nightly backups to the disk. I also do 3 weekly off site backups to my home server. So as far as backups I'm safe.
Now the issue is if the disk fails then my server is down. Do lot of people take this risk in order to save money? (often 50-100 per month)
In people's experiences, how long does it typically take for a data center to put in a new drive and load the OS?
In a 3+ disk server I'd use software raid for the data but the OS would still be alone.
Do lot of people do this?
With 10 servers, that's a lot of money saved for a small enough risk.
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Jul 30, 2008
VPS vs. Dedicated - New Benchmark Results ....
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May 4, 2009
I am looking for some kind of benchmark script to compare MySQL before and after optimization (Changing certain parameters). It should give some indication of response times. Maybe also an indication of the slowest commands.
Would be great if it can give some score with some reference.
Also, since this is not a test environment (I have my sites hosted on this VPS), I would prefer if it's easy to use and doesn't mess with anything else.
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Feb 27, 2008
way to perform benchmark tests on a web server. I want to be able to benchmark the web server and MySQL.
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Jun 9, 2008
I am considering signing up for a very well-received host on this site and around the net. It is DowntownHost. They have a promotion right now where you can get 25% off for life. They have tiered plans. So you if you pay for 1, 2 or 3 years upfront, for example, you will be paying *a lot* less per month than if you paid just monthly. Add in this 25% off promotion, and you can see some big savings.
Now, for most hosts that you haven't tried, I would say no way commit your money for a year. But DowntownHost's reputation precedes them so well, this could be an exception.
Plus, they have a 90-day money back guarantee where you would get all your money back if you don't like the service.
So my thinking is that I should no whether or not I am going to stick with a host within 90 days. That is plenty of time. But, then again, your money is tied up for 1, 2 or 3 years after that 90 days, and if something goes wrong, you are up a creek without a paddle. Plus, I have heard (in general, not with DowntownHost specifically), that your support level could decrease after your trial period if you have paid for an extended plan because, well, they have your money, so what do they care.
What are people's opinion on this?
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May 23, 2015
how to benchmark and configure FCGI.
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Apr 14, 2008
Has anyone done a benchmark of test files for multiple unmeetered hosts during peak hours?
I have a 100mbit server at ThePlanet i could use for benchmarking. I could write a simple benchmark program to record the time+speed of a list of shared bw test files.
I'll have it sample each host for 10sec every hour. With that we can make a speed/time graph for each host.
My server is in TX on a shared line but not unlimited BW.
It would be nice if we can get some benchmarks from other data centers.
Would this reflect actual speeds?
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Mar 1, 2008
I was just working on some concepts for image upload security features and wanted some others opinions. Would the below be worth doing to not have to deal with the 777 or even 775 phpsu issue(s)?
- What about loading the images into a db and logging the upload. Then having a cron or a daemon move the file to a location under the owner (user) and then delete the file out of the db.
Pros:
- Images would be loaded and displayed from under the user of the site making no 777 issues.
Con:
- Mass use of db could cause crashes?
- Would have to write front end to know if the file was in db or in the folder location
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Oct 8, 2007
telling me about your offerings, or trying to convince me about out of area datacenters because of the risk of terrorism, cost, or alien invasion, I'm not seriously shopping around, just doing a bit of initial research.
With that disclaimer, what's a rough expectation of pricing for a NYC, carrier neutral datacenter for 1 cabinet with 60 amps of 110v? Preferrably somewhere that Internap is available.
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Mar 8, 2007
There is a host I am not going to name which has ~30 servers and 50,000+ customers.
Isn´t that quite a large customer base for the number of servers? They also have an unmetered plan. The normal plan is pretty generous at 200gig storage 2,5 TB transfer. I guess if someone actually uses this they´ll be shut down. Or if they even use close to 1TB they will probably bust the CPU.
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Aug 15, 2007
Is it common for VPS's to be oversold? I'm currently torn between paying a little bit extra for a dedicated, giving me the piece of mind that I'm the only one on the server, and getting a cheaper VPS.
I'm looking for a VPS/dedi for a new project I'm working on that requires a quite specific set up that isn't feasible with shared hosting. The problem is that I don't think I need the full power of dedicated server.
Can you recommend a company that's been in the business for a while and isn't likely to go away? One that provides what it promises?
I'm looking to spend no more that $40 a month on an unmanaged service. I need at most 300GB of transfer a month and 10GB of space is plently (all I really need is the OS install plus a GB or two).
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Feb 15, 2009
i have a question about overselling, if i offer 999999gb's of diskspace for $1/mo, you say i am overselling, and its a bad thing, right? well does that mean medialayer oversells because they can't truly offer unlimited mysql databases, can they? eventually, just creating databases thousands of times will consume diskspace?
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Feb 17, 2009
Just how it actually works? I have a pretty good knowledge about Xen and Linux KVM (somewhat about VMware as well). Prior to joining WHT, I rarely heard about Virtuozzo and OpenVZ.
I'm just interested in RAM usage actually. I also read on some threads that you can oversell storage and net bandwidth as well? That just seems a little weird to me.
I also used a fairly good amount of Solaris Zones as well.
Example, if I have a 8GB box and I leave some, say 512MB, reserved for CT0. 8192-512=7680 (I know the ACTUAL RAM amount will NOT be 8192), that leaves 7680MB use for CTs. So technically in OpenVZ if you dice out dedicated 512MB VEs... you end up with 15 right?
So you are able to sell more than 15 VPSs on a 8GB server box? If also set all burstable RAM to 1GB for all VEs.
In Xen, when you set dedicated RAM it is taken away from dom0, period. That's all there is to it, no oversell (Xen 3.3+ you can use ballooning to overcommit RAM, I know).
Within CT in VZ, user is able to check beancounters to see the guaranteed/burstable RAM. Technically you can't lie to the users.
I researched around... when oversell in VZ and the RAM gets maxed out... VZ will try to slow/stop/kill processes in order to keep the guests happy, to me that's just dangerous. Why needs to kill processes for RAM saturation?
Anyone can shed some lights for me? Or point me to an article(s). It can be technical, I should be able to grasp.
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May 5, 2009
I had a quick question regarding bandwidth. I am currently with a provider that supposedly offers 10,000 GB of monthly transfer and my monthly fee is $229/month (core2quad server).
I wanted to know how can they possibly offer that much bandwidth for that monthly fee? Is that normal?
This is about a sustained 30 MBPS usage throughout the month to make it 10,000 GB at the end of the month.
Are you telling me they will let me use 30 MBPS of bandwidth sustained for that monthly fee?
Bandwidth costs has come down but they have multiple providers and even if they do have huge bandwidth contracts, the cost has to be around $5 - $6 a MBPS per month for them. That is excluding the other providers and all other network costs.
so JUST for me, it means they will pay about $180 a month just to cover my bandwidth expenses, then there is electricity, server costs etc...
Is this overselling? If I approach this limit, do you think they will find a reason to kick me out?
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Oct 21, 2008
The funny thing about this "yet another" overselling thread is that my host, Siteground.com, is an active over seller, and even though I don't like it, this is now way of life.
The hosting industry has changed in the past few years. In the quest for success, for more clients and more profits, the larger hosting companies have made sure the hosting world has changed, and has changed for the worse (both for customers and companies).
Why did it happened?
Back in 2004/5 hosts used to offer moderate packages containing 1GB of space (a lot) with some traffic. Then, came ego powered web hosts such as Bluehost, came with the answer of the ever important question - "How can we drive more signups our way?" - the answer as simple, genius, and yet destructive - recruit affiliates! Affiliates want money, and money were being offered, a lot of them (65USD per sale I think).
Every miracle lasts for three days - what happened next:
hint: type "web hosting" in google and check out the directories on the top positions
So, people started copying the idea, and recruiting affiliates, and the web hosting directories were born. Now everybody is in the directory, and the highest bidder was on the Number one position, the BEST HOST!, well, the one who pays most...when you are first, there is always someone who is willing to pay more, so the first company outbid the N1 host, then the second outbid the first, so quickly afiliate prices jumped from the 50-70 range a few years ago to the 150-200 bucks per new client today.
That is crazy, you are paying affiliates 2-3 years worth of revenue, just to have the client. But what does this have to do with OVERSELLING? Everything!
Now that you are in the directory, and can't pay more (you will never make any money...), you have to be different than the other companies in the directory. How - invest in new technology? better customer service? money? oops, they were spend already by the marketing department. So, the only thing that you can do is to raize features.
The first company raized the features to 20GB space/200GB Traffic, then the next one came with 50/500, then somebody else came with 300/3000, then companies like ours came and said, ok, if you can offer 300GB of space, sure we can offer 600GB of space And then yahoo came, and did it - "we promise you the world" - unlimited space, unlimited traffic - what a rubbish - there is no such thing as unlimited, unmettered maybe, unlimited - just ask them about their bandwidth cap - they have one, don't they?
If you google the directories on "web hosting" you will note that everybody offers unlimited space/traffic. But how can you be now different now? - of course, invest in technology...oops, no money, sorry. Then again someone came up with the idea to offer to host more domains per one account - and now we are different! Here you can host 5 domains, elsewhere, only one, everybody will signup from us! Aleluia! oops, three days later, everybody was offering unlimited domains, and nothing changed the equilibrium.
You though it was all over, wrong! Then came Sept 2008 around, and the Bluehost ego struck again - what can we do to attract more customers - sure, lets dump the prices - 7.95/mo was now 4.95/mo, surely no one can else can charge 4.95/mo, give unlimited features, domains, and pay 200 bucks per new client. Of course this is true, at least for the first 3 days, then everybody lowered their prices.
The end result: everybody has the same equal share of the market, and everybody is making a lot less profit (if any) than before. On the other side, the customer is now used to shop for the biggest features at the lowest price, without really knowing how to understand difference between a quality service and an affiliate "you pay a lot and don't get anything in return" hosting service.
I've seen in previous threads people to immediately jump and start saying that overselling is bad - that is true and yet not true - it depends whether you are a host or a customer:
Customers:
+ cheaper than before, much cheaper than what it should be
+ features, if you need to use more features, you have a deal
+ competition will drive quality/innovation forward
- 90%+ of all overselling hosts spend their money on advertising, and you get no service at all
I would never buy a hosting from a company that relies exclusively on affiliate marketing - they don't focus on quality, they can't offer reliability (no money for new servers, no money for softwares etc), and the worst off all, they educate the customer with bad habits and of course, drive them away from the hosting business. Up to now, this was not a problem, as even though many people opt out of building and managing personal websites, newcomers compensated. However, recent stats show that the growth of the US hosting users has grown with less than 0.4% over the last 12 months, and with the economic slowdown, more people are opting out each month.
Overselling by itself is not a problem - it is true that most customers would never hit the limits (even though most of the time they are invisible) - hosting overselling is just like any other industry overselling (phone, electricity, airlines etc). There is only one BUT here - even though it is unlikely that most people would consume a large share of resources - can you provide service to those customers who would actually need the features? - I think the answer is yes at least this is true if you are a large host with a lot of infrastructure.
Of course, what will happen if everybody start using all the resources. What will happen if the Chinese stop eating rise and start consuming meat?
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Aug 19, 2008
Their pro D is 200GB for $55
Compare to others its alot. But they better not be overselling reseller accounts. Specially with overselling enabled it will be impossible to live up to it if they are overselling.
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Apr 29, 2008
I'm willing to pay a bit more for a host that oversells to a lesser degree. I used "IP Neighbors" to find out how many sites were on a couple shared-server hosts.
I currently have two websites on different hosts. One shows 71 urls on the same IP. The other shows 670! The one that shows 71 is quite a bit more expensive, but I'm wondering if all servers hold similar amounts or if the number is not that relevant. I'm also guessing that since some websites are huge and get lots of hits, while others do not, simply looking at numbers may not be much help.
Can anyone give a good guideline on how to judge this? Simply looking at reveiws doesn't seem to be of much help. I find that the webhost having 670 urls on a server getting praise for fast loading, while I find it much slower than what I'd like. Lots of reviews are coming from people without a perspective on the possibilities. It's fairly easy to judge webhosts on service. There are plenty of relevant comments on this. Judging the network and the degree of overselling has been much more difficult for me.
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Dec 30, 2008
The concept of unlimited disk space is something that I am not able to understand, and would appreciate if anyone could help me understanding it.
I see many giant hosting companies offer unlimited disk space with their shared plans.
But if you actually try to upload that much data, they will ask you to not use your account for file storage. What does that mean? I am really not sure..
Say if I have a movie website which has many movie files large in size. My website offers those files for download or streaming. Does that mean the disk space for my files will be considered as to be used for file storage?
Just not able to get the entire concept. If you cannot store files, then how can someone use unlimited disk space?
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Aug 5, 2007
I have a Linux-2 512MB VPS with TekTonic and when I was ona 256MB UM1 plan I would experience daily frequent slow-downs that would last around 1 or 2 minutes, just enough for my software server to timeout and disconnect users. It wouldn't be downtime, it just would take 2 minutes for the SSH login message to appear and the website and lag was unbearable.
I was in the process of looking for a better VPS when they started to offer their new Metered plans at a new place with new servers, I switched to test it out and I no longer had the slow-downs for about a month.
Starting around end May, I would begin to experience the same type of slow-downs. As days continued the slow-downs kept getting worse and worse. Eventually around mid June after 5 support tickets of my problems, they finally admitted that "The host was swapping" and they said they would double RAM for the Node.
After a few days things did begin to die down for about 10 days, and then things started happening again, gradually more and more slowly. I have submitted about 5 tickets from June to now, their common response is that "It's working fine now" which is true, because the slow-downs only last about a minute or two, and I can never get to support in time for them to investigate. Just yesterday they admitted "The host was swapping" and they said they would double the RAM, sound familiar?
Can anyone explain to me what might be the problem?
Is it common for VPS providers to need to double the RAM every month or 2? or are they overselling of resources?
Is it common for a VPS to get slow-downs like this a few times a day? If so, Its seeming clear to me that because of my sensitive software that restarts itself after a 30 second timeout or slowdown, I should look into more dedicated options rather than VPS.
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Sep 12, 2008
just want to share some negative experience with bluehost, thoughts on overselling, and to ask for an advice on what hosting to move to ... Bluehost.
Here's what is going on on the server box that I have an account on. I can see this via the ssh account that bluehost gave me.
The box is 8 CPUs, with average load about 15-25%, though sometimes it goes up to 70. It's got about 700G of space for the users. There are 26 registered users (including myself), but these are only those who have asked for ssh access; since I guess not everybody asks, there just as well may be another 100 or so users.
Now, bluehost offers 1.5TB (or is it 15TB?) storage. Since we've got 0.7TB for at least 26 of us, the conclusion is obvious: nobody can get the promised amount.
Now this is where the problem begins. Apparently one of the users of the box has attempted to make good of the 1.5TB promise; as a result the box ran out of space.
The consequences you can imagine.
The consequences for all of the users of the box - not only for the one who made it run out of space. I was actually using only a couple of gigs, and when the box went full my accounts started loosing emails, my cpanel was shut down and so on.
To add up to the trouble, bluehost didn't react until I (and perhaps others) complained. And when the support did pay attention to the problem, it was only to add some 20-30G (may be they just cleaned up something, I can't say).
Overselling.
Now it becomes clear to me that overselling is a problem not only for those who try to actually use the promised amount of space and bandwidth, but to everybody. Moreover, if a single
user tries to use all his space it already leads to troubles.
I was imagining before that these providers have huge servers, so that if one actually uses his 1.5TB others won't notice - it's only if many try to do this there's a problem. How very naive. Indeed it's hard to imagine a single server box on which somebody using 1.5TB could pass unnoticed. As it happens with bluehost, a server can't accommodate even one such user.
Finally, I'm in need of recommendations.
I'm looking for a hosting to move to. In fact I only have a couple of static websites with about 20 emails on them. However, it appears to be not such an easy task to find a reasonable host. The point is that I like to have at least 2-3G of space- so that I wouldn't need to delete any emails and worry about the space in general. What is on offer, however, is either 200M for smth like 7$/month, or these unlimited TB from oversellers. Somehow there seem to be nothing in between. Thus what I need is perhaps a moderate overseller. One who can't allow everybody to use all their space at the same time, but can tolerate reasonably expectable increases of usage.
In short: is there a hosting provider that can give me: 3G space, 2 domains allowed to host, ~3G bandwidth a month, 30 or so emails. And all this for 5-8$?
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Jan 30, 2009
I recently got a VPS from VPSLand before reading all the negative reviews... Everything seems to work fine EXCEPT disk operations. Sometimes it seems writing big files to disk, or moving/copying files around on the server will completely lock it up.
I opened up PerfMon and with my IIS/mySQL services stopped (which means my system is running absolutely nothing), the disk queue and disk % values are ridiculous.
See:
www|europeinruins|com/temp/disk-noiis-nomysql.JPG (can't post URL's so switch the | with .
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