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Been doing a lot of reading the last 2 days before posting. The popular host atm for "affordable" hosting seems to be Hostgator, however it seems there might be an issue with them and the shopping cart I use.

See the dialog below and please let me know any alternatives that will not have the same issue (other than CyberLNC, $20-$30 a month seems steep for an average hosting account with very little bandwidth or storage). My cart contains a lot of large images and while I dont need unlimited storage/bandwidth, I do need some.

(12:02:39 AM) Tirade: Here is the comment I found. "Hosting - Be careful of the permission limits that some host providers have. CS-Cart recommends a setting of 777. I have just moved from Hostgator to CyberLNC as Hostgator could only use a setting of 755 - whilst there is documentiation to show that it should work, I was receiving 500 server errors and my payment gateway wouldn't work. I'm a big fan of Hostgator, their service is excellent, but they just weren't configured for CS-Cart unfortunately and I had to move."

(12:05:38 AM) Davon Da: There are many scripts which state that 777 permissions are needed, but since we due use a suExec envoirment, 777 files are not allowed

The hosting requirements (other than the ability to set permission limits to 777), would be speed, mysql, php5, and price.

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