Buying/building Web Server
Jun 15, 2008
So I need to build or buy a server to run my site. The site will use a basic LAMP setup and we will also be allowing for file uploads and downloads. File sizes aren't expected to be too large, mostly word/PDF documents and maybe some Powerpoint presentations. At the moment we can only afford one box to run the whole site so we need to build something that can handle both file serving and basic site stuff.
I'm wondering what kinds of hardware we would need to make this happen. If I were to setup a box with a quad core CPU, 4-8GB of RAM, and a few 15K RPM drives would that be able to handle file serving and PHP/mySQL? Would multiple processors be required? What about RAID?
I guess the real question is what kind of hardware requirements are involved with setting up a file server. I'm guessing running PHP and mySQL is not really an issue but I don't want the site to slow down because of the file serving. I'm sure some of you have experience with this sort of thing so if anyone knows please let share your thoughts.
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Dec 19, 2007
What sort of specs would a server need for a small hosting company starting off? Linux, Windows, memory size, processor speed etc
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Jun 26, 2008
I am using linux dedicated servers, but I want to move over to Windows for some stuff I run...
Anyway, I need ideally 1000-1500gb bandwidth on 10mbs connection, ram&cpu is not important as they're very simple things but requires a lot of bandwidth. Location in Europe or USA, but whatever is cheaper...
Budget is anything upto £60/$120 a month.
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Apr 22, 2008
I have been using a VPS for many years now and I am thinking of purchasing a dedicated server so that I can expand.
I intend to run:
-My website which has been running since 2002, just a vbulletin forum
-Some game servers
However my main intention is to run some Team Fortress 2 game servers on the dedi.
How many Team Fortress 2 game servers do you think I could run with these specifications?
Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz
1GB RAM
160GB Hard Disk
10,000GB Bandwidth
Also, I'm used to using to cpanel/whm, how hard do you think is it to administer a linux server without any control panels?
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Dec 7, 2008
I have some Q
1. if you were to choose to buy a dedicated server or rent
which one would you choose?
why?
2. if buying it how do you know that the parts in your computer are not second hand parts?
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Jan 9, 2007
Me and a friend want to buy a really cheap server. We're kind of tired of buying hosting of people, VPS, dedi even if the price is really cheap.
For once we'd just like a little server ourself. We are located in the UK.
We're hoping to spend max £110. So far we ain't been able to get a good deal for that much.
(tried ebay)
To make a pc - it would cost us more than that pricewise. To buy an old one and do few upgrades.. it would still cost us a bomb.
Do you know where I can purchase cheap pre-built webservers direct? I can't seem to find any websites. There mostly £200+
Also I'm hoping to run windows platform (mainly due to near null experiance with Linux), what simple software can I install to get:
FTP
Webpages//PHP
DNS
running? (other than apache which still look's complex).
My main problem is where to buy a cheap server.
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Mar 24, 2009
I am thinking about buying this processor and building a server with it. This processor is very affordable for me but I am wondering what kind of server I should run it as? Do you think the processor would be able to handle a heavy DDoS attack and act as a good firewall?
Let me know, here's the processor I want to build the server with:
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May 30, 2009
I have built my own computer before with ease. However, I am aware that building a dedicated server can be slightly different. I have a question.
Should I go with 'normal' hardware or specially made 'server hardware'?
I am aware that 'server hardware' is more expensive, but is it really that much better? I don't want to spend out lots of cash just for a minor performance increase.
Also I was looking at these rack mount cases as I am going to Co-locate the box. However I don't know which would be the best to use with my configuration.
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I'm hoping to use a Quad Q6600 and 4GB RAM but I'm stuck on which motherboard to use,
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Jun 8, 2008
Wondering what the most cost-effective and efficient way of building up a bulk backup server. I'm colocating some equipment and will have a private network.
I have a full cab, and only a few servers in it, so lots of room to spare.
Now this will originally just be used for my own users, but I need ease-of-use and expandability. For example, I can load it up with lots of cheap SATA drives, and a raid card. However, what do I actually do on the software end? Installing Linux and setting up rsync crons is the easy part, but what about permissions? Is there an easy way to create users?
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Nov 26, 2007
In me effort to go colo I have been studying as best I can different server builds. Here is some information you may want to know or be able to help me and others with.
Quest: Build a server designed for serving html and other uses as a webserver (mail, database, etc). Limux operating System
Chipset- Although I found a lot of good and bad motherboards, I could find no information regarding chipsets and Linux. maybe it does not matter, who knows? Also..upgrading motherboard and chipset AFTER server is up and running seems like a challenge.
Harddrives- It would seem best to get a harddrive made for a 24/7 uptime. Not ALL drives are like this. Seemingly, unconfirmed, SCSI drives are for this pupose. However, Western Digital has made some 'RE' drives that are to be up 24/7 with no issues.
Note: 7200+ rpm drives appear to fail more often and some suggest a more stable 5400rpm.
Built in NIC vs Adding one- Very little could be found on this, but would assume a much better one should be bought and not use an onboard one. Some onboards can have probelm with some linux distros too. I would buy one and add it...a good one.
CPU- very little talk was available on linux's use of multiple CPUs. Very little talk was available on speed and use of multiple versus single cpu units. Example- how would a single cpu of 3ghz do against 2 CPUs of 1.8ghz.
Having two CPUs does allow for a server to utilize different CPUs for different processes, so if one is busy, the other can be used.
No information was really available on the difference..or what you should buy for the actual CPUs.
RAM- Buttloads of ram out there. No info on what works best with linux, which works best for a server, or what kind would work best for a server.
Motherboard- many are available and many suggest different kinds, but no definitive reasons have been given. No idea which would be best for a linux web server.
Control panel versus no control panel - after a little learning curve it would appear a non control panel is easy to use for a single user server. Control panels are buggy, have many issues, but do allow multi user systems and shared servers to be easily used. Some seem very limited in the updated versions of software. I will be going with fedora, but no control panel. The overhead is not something I want to deal with..or the bugs, or the old software, of the issues of upgrading. Ensim and cpanel seem most used and professionally serviced.
Raid- Just working on this one. No real info as to the best type of raid card for a linux webserver. Raid 1 is a mirror system i believe that allows you to have two drives where one is a ghost of another (sort of)? Do not know how much this slows the system or the drives down, but a mirror would be best in the case of a failure.
Do not know what happens when there is a failure (will system freeze, ignore it, hang?)
Partition of drives: It would seem that putting the linux system on one aprtition, the /home directory on another, and perhaps the mail directory on another is a way to make it easier to deal with certain issues. If you need to compile, reinstall, or whatever with linux and all your data is not on the partition, it becomes easier. If a partition gets screwed, the data is spread out, so much can not be destroyed. The actual amounts for the partitions are not evident in my research.
ANyway, that is a synopsis of info I have been perusing these last few days. Usually you can only find someone talking about something they use and like, but no real details to balance out why something else will not be as good.
One other note: Distros of llinux are all over the place. But for a webserver I do not think any distro is really needed. Perhaps just building your own kernel would be good (and a great learning experience)...but that remains to be seen.
I will be posting a web page in the coming weeks with a detail of how I built, where i bought, and how I installed, my new server here.
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May 3, 2006
I need to build a video server that supports remote inbound live streams (multiple sources) and multiple outbound streams. I'm interested in hearing feedback or suggestions on Real Media Server, Microsoft Media Server, or other alternatives. Please share your thoughts on any of these. I would prefer Linux hosting and would prefer Windows Media formats. I would love to hear what some of you have had successes with.
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Jul 18, 2007
I currently dev locally on a cobalt RAQ (ollld!) and would like to upgrade this setup.
I'm looking for a simple way of getting a linux system setup for internal dev work with the basics... mysql, apache, php5, and some kind of version control - subversion / cvs.
Are there any linux liveCDs that I could use to make something like this quite easily?
For our production server we use plesk, so a control panel similar to that for setting up new dev domains would be useful. Open source of couse tho.
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Jul 25, 2009
Building, running and managing your own Server Farm.
This thread is dedicated to those who find themselves on or considering this path.
Here, I am not hosting any ‘foreign business interests’ or associating with any other ‘hostile networks’. I am needing to create many sub-nets, with 3 to 5 WAN’s inbound and outbound. I have a ‘research sub-net’ needing special considerations and will link associates/contractors by VPN. The product-line will also require Radius Server(s). Plus more details and requirements that make the whole project most complicated.
(Thanks to ‘leeware’ for this beginning theme)
1.0 Objective: Building a 30-50 Server facility:
I checked my records and made this decision 2 - ½ months ago. Since then I have acquired 28 servers, an internet security device, two 3com’s, two 4-port kvm’s, a few small Cisco switches and a host of power related stuff.
2.0 Justification for Building vs leasing:
Control. Costs. Open options. Unique demands more easily appreciated by myself as I am the one possessing the vision. Choosing who I work with as I do the hiring/contracting or initiate associations.
We are generally molded by personal experiences and these set-up our prejudices. I am certainly no exception. My experiences with hosts generated an excellent introduction to the wide world of websites/control panels etc and some products that support it. But the too often cryptic communications, some surprise costs due to my ignorance and that vulnerable ‘boxed in’ feeling made me wonder…
2.1 What is your rational for building vs leasing?
One of my major ‘cross the line’ rational came when I discovered I could buy a used server each month for a similar cost of leasing one. Next, were all my own confounded ‘special circumstances’ that kept cropping up and of course these were not the fault of any hosting company. Lastly technology came to my street in the form of good multiple pipes and my zoning is acceptable because I am off a major highway.
3.0 Business Objectives:
My business objectives center around a very long-run project that I have already long ago completed and keep updated to viability. And I would rather keep that subject to another venue.
4.0 Budgetary Information:
I have enough ‘resources’ to pull it off.
4.2 What is your operating budget (How much money do you plan to spend on an ongoing basis to keep the place running for 12-24 months?)
Same as previous and I will note that ‘time and attention’ is keenly important.
4.3 More importantly, where is this money going to come from? If from investors they generally require a sound business plan.
I require a sound business plan and have it.
5.0 Return on Investment:
Accomplish goals on and on…
5.1 After you account for the initial capital expense to get everything up and running + your on going operating costs, how long will it take you to make back your initial investment and then reach profitability? (12/24/36 months for longer?)
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Oct 30, 2008
I'm building a storage server out of spare parts that are lying around here at the office. Purchasing a brandnew server kinda overshoots it's target, since all basic hardware is available lika a big Chieftec 4U casing with 2x 4drive SATA hotswap bays.
The machine will just be dumb storage for saving our backups.
The plan is to add a decent serverboard, proc and some ram as a baseline. On top of that a 3ware 8-port RAID-controller with 8 1TB harddrives (seagate has some nice ones).
Now the only issue i'm having is powerconsumption. The case has an 460W PSU, but I'm not sure if that's enough.
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Mar 7, 2008
We are going to offer web space to our students and we want to build a new server just for this purpose. We were looking at buying a storage array, a RAID card, and a server. I have no problems building a server; however, I have never built anything with an external enclosure. I am thinking about buying this storage array:
www newegg com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816702010
I plan on installing hard drives in every drive bay for a total of 12 drives.
The problem I'm having is I don't know what type of RAID card to buy. I saw this one; but, I don't know if it will work with this storage array.
www newegg com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116062
Thanks so much for any light you can shed on this! I apologize for the link but I do not have enough posts insert URLs.
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May 29, 2008
You contact a company for a quote, however this company has not replied in days, so you contact again and it takes them a few more days to finally respond; this is a pretty common scenario.
I emailed 3 companies 3 days ago. One replied within 6 hours with a quote, and the other two still have yet to respond, guess which company I am most likely to go with?
So do you get put off by a lack of a sales team / delays? To me its like they don't want my service.
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Jul 27, 2009
which switches to buy as there are a myriad of options out there and I'm quite frankly a bit lost.
After reading through a bunch of posts here as well it looks like most people are leaning towards the Cisco Catalyst or HP ProCurve lines.
My requirements are:
- min. 24 Ports (4 SFP ports) 10/100/1000
- Layer 3 routing
- Low latency is more important than high throughput
- Switches will handle a lot of UDP multicasting, thus adequate buffers are important to minimize packet loss due to overflowing buffers
- Budget is ~$2k/switch
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Apr 21, 2009
I'm planning on hosting several websites on a server or several servers in my home using Comcast(Comcast told me unlimited bandwidth would cost me $60.00 a month). I'm currently researching what used servers to buy and what operating system would be best to use on the servers(LAMP sounds interesting). Security is a big concern. I want to be able to expand this system when necessary.
What used servers and software would be a great setup for what I want to do? I program websites using XHTML, CSS, JAVASCRIPT AND PHP.
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Aug 14, 2008
how many of you guys are considering buying into a CDN service? Do you ever find yourself (or your clients) asking for it?
If so, in what specific situations would you need a CDN? Did you already buy the service - if so, what made you choose your provider, and if you did not buy the service yet, why not?
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Dec 25, 2007
where I can get the best price for HP switches? Looking for 1x2848 and 1x2650
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Jan 18, 2008
I am considering buying a C6509-E and I wanted to get a feel for that which I am about to do is hopefully a good move, and not a bad one. My traffic patterns are similar to what I suspect many of you experience. My traffic levels hovers around 2 - 300 mbit, but we are about to start offering more colocation services.
I also do internet facing bgp routing.
I was thinking something like this:
1 x C6509-E Chassis
1 x VS-S720-10G-3CXL 720 with 2 ports 10GbE MSFC3 PFC3C XL
1 x MEM-C6K-CPTFL1GB Compact Flash Memory 1GB
1 x WS-X6724-SFP 24-port GigE
1 x WS-C6509-E-FAN Fan tray
2 x WS-CAC-3000W
I will probably add on the forwarding card to the 6724 once my traffic levels rises more.
Additionally I would probably be getting one more identical box a little later.
Could I get any feedback on this setup, is there anything I've missed?
Also, if you have bought a similar setup before I would love to to be given an idea of what I should expect for pricing?
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Jan 28, 2008
Some time ago there was this guy apaqdigital who was quite well known among WHT memembers -- but i dont see his name when i type in the user section of the advanced search.
Anyone know if "apaqdigital" is still around or has changed his user name?
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Jan 22, 2008
Our company just outgrown our linux routers, so we're getting ready to buy a pair of 7201's. I'm one of the programmers, not the network engineer, so I'm not sure about the details. All I know is that we will buy a pair of 7201's soon.
what they go for after discounts? Resellers/vendors feel free to chime in.
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Apr 14, 2008
Doing a little research... What do you look for when signing up for shared hosting?
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May 31, 2008
I am going to buy a Shared host for the first time. I am currently considering big hosts because of my bandwidth requirements are high.
I am considering Dreamhost, BlueHost, HostiCan, and most preferably HostGator.com
I have heared a lot about hostgator and saw many persons praising it, but when i was going to buy it, i accidently saw a few sites on google giving bad remarks about the HostGator.
Also the link [url]shows a story about the Host.
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Jul 20, 2008
I recently purchased web hosting with HostMonster. I will want to build multiple sites down the road.
What is the process of getting another domain and hosting it with HostMonster? Can I just buy another domain from a site and stick it right on my leased web server?
Do I need to transfer the doamin into HostMonster?
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Aug 25, 2007
I run an online flash game website, which gets between 20000-40000 unique visitors per day. The website basically just hosts flash games which I upload myself. I have no forum, do not run any databases or have any major scripts running or anything; the site is just plain html and php includes (with images and flash [.swf] files also)
I currently have 512MB of RAM on my VPS. If I decide to upgrade to a similar plan on a Dedicated Server, but instead with either 1GB or 2GB of RAM, would that make my website faster, particularly loading time? (As some games are 5 to 10 MB in size).
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Nov 16, 2007
I find the plans to be ok.
I would like to clear a few doubts before I buy a VPS.
Here are some of them:This is the kind of setup I am looking for. Debian/Ubuntu + Webmin + Virtualmin + Usermin (maybe) + LAMP + RoR (upgradability).
I want to host multiple websites.
I would appreciate if ServeAxis can set this up for me to start with. Atleast, OS + LAMP + Webmin + Virtualmin LAMP should be setup the with default options provided by most of the shared hosts (eg: Dreamhost). Virtual host, etc. should be enabled.
Is there a knowledgebase (wiki) where I can read up on how to do this. I am okie with managing a linux system (ui, terminal) but haven't had core experience using live server. I can follow instruction through manual etc. but I have no clue of best practices.
No Community for ServerAxis users? Is there a forum etc. for Serveraxis.com users?
I can't find information regarding installation etc. on your website. Please give me any pointers if there are on the website or a handbook for administration.
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This post would have been apt in the ServerAxis forum (if there was one), if not then from what I have figured out here is where I can get a good response.
I have put up a request for the same at support & sales @ SA. Will post up updates when I receive them.
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May 14, 2008
im planning to collocate server with ecatel in Amsterdam.but im from india and if i send hardwares from here then it wil cost me alot.so im searching for some vendor who can quote me the price of hardware , they must be based in nether land only.
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Nov 12, 2007
For learning purposes, I'd like to purchase a switch to network at least 4 servers. Based on your knowledge of switches and the ones you currently use in production, could you recommend some switches that, while initially for development use, could be transitioned to production?
I'd like a switch that specifically isn't meant for home use, because a big part of the reason for purchasing it is to get experience configuring, using, and troubleshooting a production-quality switch that has anywhere from 8-32 ports.
For those of you that actually network 32 devices together in production, do you have one mega 32-port switch, or multiple smaller (e.g. 8-port) switches? What setup, in your experience, have you determined to be ideal?
What criteria are very important to consider when purchasing a switch that, as a newbie to this area, I may not have otherwise considered? Most resources on this topic give pretty basic information, but don't highlight the real 'gotcha' areas.
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Mar 24, 2008
I've been running a niche hosting business (one man show) for about 6 months now and so far I've learnt the basics of the hosting business. In fact I'm quite successful too, with good profits right from the first month. I know a bit of server admin and manage my own servers.
However, now I plan to start general shared hosting business and have decided to own my hardware and colocate it at a DC. (I'm not located in the US; the DC owner is my friend and would receive the hardware and set it up for me.)
The box would cater to general shared webhosting needs with cPanel (I don't like it but the market does )
Here's what I'm planning to go for...please put in your valuable inputs.
$300 for 1x SUPERMICRO MBD-X7DCL-I ATX Mainboard
$380 for 2x Kingston 4GB(2x2GB) KVR667D2D4F5K2/4G RAM
$475 for 2x Intel Xeon E5405 Harpertown Quad Core 2Ghz.
$240 for 2x WD Caviar RE2 WD5001ABYS 500GB SATA2 HDD
$250 for 1x Supermicro CSE-811T-420B 1U Chassis
100Mbps port, CentOS 5.latest 64bit, cPanel.
So, to sum up... 8x2Ghz CPU, 8GB RAM, 500GB SATA RAID system to start with.
I'm open to all suggestions and would appreciate valuable advice etc. from experienced people. I'd like to ensure full hardware/software compatibility and maximum stability.
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