Air Cooling Versus Liquid Cooling

Mar 15, 2008

I seem to have gone over this a hundred times, but wanted to get feedback from the community. Has anyone out there been able to really make liquid cooling work in their data center considering the additional space utilization and expensive price point.

We've found that liquid cooling vastly more expensive than what we are doing and am curious what some out there might be doing.

For us we've found that high density air cooling (top down, and capped hot/cold row configuration, and overhead air extraction) can get us to a max density of about 10 kW per rack. We use a chilled water system for the additional HVAC needed to get us above the standard 5 kW max, but this is for the air handlers themselves and not chilled water for the in row rack cooling. The problem is the in row chilled water cooling makes us lose a cabinet of space for every cabinet of higher density. For this to work (simple situation) we would need to attain rack densities of at least 20 kW given the loss of floor space.

We use APC Cabinets and infrastructure and even they have said if you try and get about 20 kW with the liquid cooling it becomes problematic. Given these governing characteristics in addition to the overwhelming cost, is anyone out there actually pursuing this in a colocation environment. To me it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Perhaps the cost needs to come down, but even then what are you gaining if it is a 1 for 1 trade off.

View 12 Replies


ADVERTISEMENT

365main Cooling

Jan 22, 2007

The air coming into my rack in colo3 right now is in the mid '80s.

View 11 Replies View Related

Cooling In Datacenter

Apr 13, 2007

Having cool air from the top of rack is better than from the bottom of rack (using raised floor)? Or vice versus?

View 14 Replies View Related

Cooling / Power Calculation

May 29, 2008

The company I work for is starting to have some cooling issues in our server area. We have basically doubled our server equipment in the room without upgrading the air conditioning unit in the room. Temperatures are getting really high in the room (sometimes reaching 85F which is just WRONG!) and we are trying to get it replaced.

Since my boss is the one making decisions I thought I would try to help him out a little bit with some of the information/calculations he needs.

My questions are:

1. When calculating watts for a redundant power supply do you double what the power supply is rated for? So on one Dell PowerEdge 2950 it shows that I have a 750W redundant supply. Would that be 1500 Watts?

2. Do you calculate your cooling needs for max wattage or do you calculate a percentage of what each power supply is rated for?

3. What percentage would you multiply your final total Watts by to accommodate possible future additions? 10%? 25%?

We currently have:
2x PowerEdge 2950 - 750W Redundant
1x PowerEdge 1950 - 670W Redundant
2x PowerVault NX 1950 - 670W Redundant
1x PowerVault MD3000
3x APC Smart UPS 3000
1x APC Smart UPS 1400
2x PowerConnect 6224
2x PowerConnect RPS-600
3x PowerConnect 5324
1x Cisco 2801
1x Cisco 2821
3x Unknown wattage servers redundant power(All the same specs)
1x Unknown wattage server redundant power
1x Unknown wattage single power supply
Then a few other small devices like external modems, KVM and a small-mid sized phone system.

I am not an electrical expert but I am calculating that it is going to be about 10,000 - 12,000 Watts?

View 4 Replies View Related

Equinix Secaucus (NY2) Cooling

Apr 25, 2008

Equinix Secaucus NY2 (275 Hartz) seems to have cooling prolem for the last 1 hour. The whole DC becomes hot. I went out one hour ago, came back and it's so hot now. I don't have temp now, ut I think it's around 85F (up from around 65F typical).

If you are in the DC, have fun working ... I wonder how much longer I can work here Hope they fix this soon, or else......

View 7 Replies View Related

SC512 Cooling With A Desktop Board

Nov 5, 2007

I'm specing out a box for small dedicated servers and am looking at the SC512 with a desktop board (Intel D964GZISSL since I don't have to cut anything). Should I be using active cooling since it's a desktop board, or will a large passive heatsink be sufficient? I'll be using Celeron Ds, probably a 356. It's power usage is quiet low.

It looks like the heatsink on the motherboard might restrict airflow a bit.

View 14 Replies View Related

Efficient Rack Cooling - Hardware Placement

Aug 7, 2009

We are not rack dense in a standard 42 rack.

We currently put 2U solid spacers on the front. As well, I run the switch with the ports facing frontward and use a cable manager on top and bottom of the switches.

I can see from some of your pics in the other thread....that you place the networking equipment in reverse. It depends on how the fan is facing on the networking equipment as

I don't like to have fans facing the inlet portion of the rack.

Any theories or practices ya'll follow?

View 7 Replies View Related

Fusion-io : IoDRIVE Versus IoXtreme Versus Intel's X25-E

Jul 31, 2009

if anyone has insight or comments about Fusion-io's ioDRIVE versus their ioXtreme drive. If you do, I would appreciate reading your thoughts on this.

The ioDRIVE is their enterprise product while the ioXtreme drive is being marketed to the consumer market. Both seem to be extremely impressive products.

My main question is whether or not an ioXtreme is suitable for web server use. The ioDRIVE is made for server use and is much more expensive, so is not only a bit less attractive because of the cost but also a bit out of my reach, financially, at this point.

So, what do you think about the ioXtreme being used in a web server? Any reason that this might be a bad idea?

Would Intel's X25-E be a better solution than the ioXtreme? The ioXtreme is PCIe based & the X25-E is a SATA drive.

View 5 Replies View Related

Colo Versus VPS Versus Dedicated

Apr 22, 2007

I have a 'complex' situation, if you will. The site I run has free access to a variety of server hardware. Sitting under my desk, I currently have:

1. Dual Xeon 5345 (quad core, 2.33GHz) with 8GB memory, mid-tower
2. Quad Opteron 8xx (dual core, 2.2GHz) with 16GB memory, 3U
3. Dual Xeon 5160 (dual core, 3GHz) with 4GB memory, mid-tower

We also have the appropriate licenses for Windows and MSSQL (which is what we use).

I am currently on a shared host that we'd like to move away from. We would like to have the ability to run both a production and a development environment. We'd also like to be able to offer web-hosting to a couple of other small sites...

So what I'm wondering is whether it really makes sense to colo. Honestly, it seems like we'll get a lot more bang for our buck versus dedicated. Most dedicated servers that are under 200 could only be described as sad and pathetic. However, they may be enough for what we need....

View 8 Replies View Related

Liquid Web TOS

Oct 25, 2009

I wonder in Liquid Web's TOS is talks about not being able to distribute things that are not your copyright. I understand if this simply means "no piracy," but this wording could apply to video sharing sites where users post their own copyrighted work. Would we then not be able to host with Liquid Web because our users are posting their copyrighted works and we do not claim copyright on their works? The users agree by signing up and posting a video that they are allowing it to be distributed on the site, so this should be fine. I guess the lack of DMCA information or clarification on Liquid Web makes me wonder how they handle video sharing sites with legal copyrighted works being shared by the copyright holders (though they are not the direct Liquid Web user). I may be over thinking this, but I have had other hosts have issues (mainly because I believe it was shared accounts and they did not want their oversold servers to get that much traffic, so it may not be an issue with Liquid Web). Does anyone here have a video sharing site hosted with Liquid Web? If so, if you they ever received a copyright infringement complaint about a video on your site did they handle it professionally as the DMCA requires or hastily suspend your account?

View 8 Replies View Related

Thanks To Liquid Web

Aug 10, 2008

I just wanted to give my thanks to the guys/gals at Liquid Web for they're help in getting my VPS setup and ready.

I've only been with them for 5 days, which I know isn't very long at all but for a complete newbie to the VPS scene (I like to try and run before I can walk), they're support has been second to none.

All tickets and request have been dealt with swiftly and professionally and I certainly couldn't ask for anymore from these guys.

I wasn't on planning on spending $50 a month for a VPS but I think I will carry on with these guys as they have proven they are more than worth it.

View 6 Replies View Related

Liquid VPS

Nov 2, 2008

I asked liquid web to backup my complete vps account. They mentioned to me that I could not remotely backup my account. And then asked for them to send a backedup file. They said it was 4gig in size.

View 9 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Review ...

Oct 20, 2009

Background
Well, my first venture into VPS did not go as smoothly as anticipated. I originally signed up for the VPS1024 at Wired Tree on special offer and although setup was fast and extremely smooth and ticket responses were extremely fast and helpful, they failed on one fundament - security.

A hacker managed to get into my WHM (on three occasions) and Grove Portal at Wired Tree (on numerous occasions) and deleted my site through WHM as well as messed up WHM settings. Although Wired Tree did their best and did help with my problems, security flaws (on my behalf perhaps), I felt it would be best to join another VPS provider.

Liquid Web
So after browsing WHT and the VPS section for offers, I eventually decided to get an account at Liquid Web, what with their glowing reputation.

Sign-Up and Account Activation
Signing up was painless and after receiving a telephone call from their sales team to confirm the order, I received my VPS account info on Monday morning gone via email.

Security
The main concern was making sure I secured WHM as best I could from the start as I did not want my WHM hacked into again. It was suggested by myself that we protect WHM to only allow IPs I provided to access WHM. This was then set up within a few hours by their technician. Now the support ticket at the end was brilliant. These guys explain what they have done and how they have done it - I've never had this kind of response from a provider before. WHM was well and truly secure and was done in a prompt and highly effective manner.

Support Tickets
You may have read my earlier post where I had to wait 42 minutes to receive a response to a support ticket. Well, prior to this, responses were extremely fast to numerous support tickets I did post and it was only this isolated time where they failed to mimic their 30-minute response SLA and so were forgiven as the work they carried out in securing the server, installing GD and Imagick and generally taking the time to make sure I was happy at all times whilst communicating with them over these tickets was way and beyond the call of duty for me.

What I will say though is that it would have been good to receive a response when I was asking for progress of a ticket. I had to post two times before I got an answer and it would have been good just to say "we are working on this for you" as a sign of courtesy and acknowledgement of my response to a ticket for an update.

Well, so far so good. Its only been 3 days with LW but I think I have found a great provider and no disrepect to Wired Tree but I think LW have an edge in terms of their technicians and the knowledge based on tickets I posted at both hosts for info. You just feel the LW techies are more knowledgeable in the way they go about working and responding to tickets.

View 7 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Support

May 19, 2009

I've got give LW some props.

I was at a crossroads on my server running php 4x and needed to be able to run 5 and allow the sites using 4 to still run it. I read about how to do it but would of totally screwed it up.

LW support came to the rescue, installed both the 4 and 5 and now I can select the php version to run from the accounts cpanel.

Took a while to work through it but it's up and running and I'm a happy camper.

That's why I've had my server with them going on 3 years now.

View 8 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Review ....

Jan 15, 2009

I got one server with them for about half a year now (360 dollars a month). I'm very please with their service including the network, and support. They are 100% fully managed. I have never had a downtime. E-mails are always responded very quickly and fast. I sent in atleast 30 e-mails so far. Real humans, not some crappy automated response I get from a lot of services out there.

The hardware is nice, I'm able to support like 20k visitors per day and about 30-100gb of bandwidth per day fine on one machine. Large forums, 2million + posts, and large sites that do a lot of bandwidth I guess.

Also I have had some billing problems aka, money problems, my own fault and they usually seem to understand and give me a slight break (last couple of months)
I'm happy with their service and hope to continue to work with them.

View 7 Replies View Related

Liquid Web, A Review

Aug 29, 2008

I have been with Liquid Web for several months. I propose to give my experiences here, the good and the bad. Hopefully others will join in the discussion.

View 14 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Accolades

May 15, 2008

Sometimes I feel compelled to reward excellence, and this is one of those times. We have 22 dedicated servers, 18 of them at Liquid Web. We have been in business for over 10 years and have seen all kinds of support levels, with various server providers. Liquid Web has, time an time again, proved to be the best server provider for us, bar none.

This week in particular they have gone way beyond our expectations, and provided us with personal, one on one support that truly is outstanding..

Some companies have come close,from time to time, but none have reached the level of excellence that Liquid Web has for us. They simply are the best, in our eyes, and readers of this post who are looking for a GREAT company to use for VPS's or dedicated servers.. need look no furhter.

View 0 Replies View Related

Anyone Used Liquid Web For Hosting

Jul 31, 2008

I'm thinking of signing up for a Liquid Web Linux VPS Basic account.

I wonder if any of you have experience using this web host - especially if you've used this kind of account.

If so, I'd be really interested to know your impressions / feedback.

View 6 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Now Charging For Using Their DNS

Jun 19, 2008

I found out that now LiquidWeb is charging $15 per domain for using their name servers.

That's right. To use their name servers, you need to pay $15 for EACH and EVERY domain name.

When I first joined I talked to support because I needed a solution that used an anonymous domain server and they said that they could do it with no problem. (We're talking about under 100 domains total)

Now that all my servers are moved there, they screw it all up by charging $15 per domain.

I HIGHLY Recommend staying away from this company until they fix this issue.

I have private nameservers but the whole fact of me signing up with them was the fact that they could provide name servers.

The worst part is that there was no notice, no email, nothing notifying me of this change. It just happened one day.

I'll be posting on my blog (sig) and recommending all the people I have referred don't use their services.

View 14 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Vs. PowerVPS

May 18, 2008

A partner and I are in the beginning stages of consolidating our website operations.

I have a managed dedicated server account with Liquid Web whom I am extremely happy with. I have been with them for about 4 years and have nothing but good experiences with them. They have always been there for me.

My partner is with PowerVPS. He is just as happy with them as I am with Liquid Web and has nothing but good things to say about them and their services.

With that said, we only need one. I have compared the plans and prices for fully managed dedicated servers on both sites and it does appear that Liquid Web is slightly more expensive between the two for similar specs. However, the most important issue with me (as well as my partner) is not price...but the level of support we get for the price.

What other factors can any of you provide about either Liquid Web or PowerVPS that we may have overlooked in the comparison process?

View 12 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Vs Colo4Dallas

Feb 10, 2007

I want the absolute best quality possible, Im open to other providers also

ips and about 5-10 servers tower based

1-5mbps

I honestly cant decide Ive used both of the above and am torn between this

View 14 Replies View Related

My Experience With Liquid Web.

Jul 31, 2007

I signed up with liquidweb 1 month ago. I am having their 50 dollar vps account.

why i pick liquid web?
I searched on WHT, i see its highly recommanded by some users, its bit expensive than others, but for me , money is not big deal, i want to have stable server.

Here's my experience with them.

1. Dont trust their sale person 100%.
my site was hosted at dreamhost, i talked to one of liquidweb sale person. I asked him if some1 at liquidweb can help me to move my files over from dreamhost to my new vps account. I never use vps before, have no clue how to do it. he said its easy, we can help you.

Acutally, they cannot do that. later, I emailed them asking for help, they emailed me back said if dreamhost using cpanel, its easy blah blah blah...., but dreamhost is not using it, and they cann't do anything.

fortunately, my site is small, and i just reupload all the files, and dump the database, my problem sovlved. but if you plan to purchase vps from liquidweb, and got questions to ask, you should double check with their tech support team, they know much better than those guys in sale department.

2. how's their support? answer is great and sux
Sux. take forever for them to reply my emails. On average is 10-12hrs. oh well, i cannot blame on them cause when you submit your ticket they said they will get back to you in 24-48 hrs ( dont remember exact time).

But, I got really pissed off. first, they didnt give me the complete answer. I email they "is imagemagick installed? if so,whats the path to imagemagick command? I got answer, said yes, its installed, its version xxxx. but didnt tell me the path, i got to email them again, and wait another 10-12 hr. I dont mind to wait, i know those guys are busy,but I got to email them twice for same question. that pissed me off.

another thing is when they email you back, they assume you already know something. everytime, i emailed them i said I just swtich from dreamhost to liquidweb, never use vps before, i am newbie of vps, please guide me through hwo to set DNS step by step. and they always give me short answer. I m still clueless hwo to do it. I got to email 5-6 times on this stupid question.

How do I got my problem sovled.
I called them, I know they have great phone support, but I was on the biz trip, I am in asia, coudlnt' make any phone call. I got so pissed off by their email support, and installed skype and called them. (btw only 2 cents / min for international long distant, its cheap), I called them, and one indian guy picked up the call, and got my problem solved rite away.

Ok, if you have any problems , dont not email liquidweb, cuz, it sux, they cannot get your problem sovled on email, call them, those guys on the phone are great, they know how to get your problem solved.

Speed and uptime
uptime, i think its good, but i dont really know to test it, any good free 3rd party appliation, i can use to check the uptime?

speed, its ok, I am in china now, it is slow. i think its much faster you r from US and Euro, I will go back to NJ next month, I will check after I get back.

www.johnqin.com
this is my blog, let me know how fast to load it, and where you test it.

View 14 Replies View Related

Liquid Web Support Team

Oct 19, 2009

I am trying to get into contact with LW's support team but I have not had a response to a support ticket I raised 40 minutes ago. Just wondering if anyone else is having problems corresponding with their support team at the moment?

View 13 Replies View Related

Load Spike On VPS (Liquid Web)

Sep 28, 2008

I just moved my site from other VPS hosting into Liquid Web for around 2weeks now. I choose the VPS1 package with WHT promotion..

First impression, I do really satisfied with the VPS performance (server load average bellow 1), also the support team. All of my eMail was replied pretty fast in under 15minutes.

But, I do have one problem. Please note that I'm not complaining here.. I just want to ask other user of LW or maybe other hosting.

Almost everyday (well, I think it is).. I got a load spike on my VPS. It's always around midnight (GMT -5). Based on LW staff have informed me, it's because of the main node full backup process, which is can't be altered. The load spike make my site sometimes temporary can't be accessed, because the server load might become above 5, and the highest one is around 28.

Do WHT user has any similar issue like me? Any solution or suggestion I can take to minimize the effect of the backup process?

View 13 Replies View Related

Has Liquid Web Support Went Downhill

Jan 16, 2008

I've been with Liquid Web for around 2 years after reading on these forums that they were good.

Problems did not start until this year. On the 7th I raised a critical ticket - that pretty much the only site I have on a dedicated server was giving me server 500 errors when trying to do necessary and basic things with Movable Type.

Liquid Web persuaded me to take it up with the makers of Movable Type which I did (Six Apart). Six Apart have now had a look and bounced it back saying it appears to be a server problem and have fairly isolated the problem area or so it seems.

Between the 7th and now I raised a few tickets complaining that they were not fixing a critical ticket. That did not seem to help too much.

The problem then got worse around half a week back - I can not even log into Movable Type without the server core dumping.

They told me to have Six Apart look at the cores and Six Apart did. They said it was a server problem. I bounced that back to Liquid Web this over 10 hours ago - raised another priority ticket and have not heard anything.

Now I call them on an international call - and I've been on old - wait for it - 45 minutes and counting - WAITING on a manager since nobody can tell me straight what the situation is!

This is not my idea of heroic support by a long shot.

Open a P1 and going on 10 days later no solution, nobody knows what is happening and 45+ minute hold times (still counting will hang up if it hits 60 minutes) and no proper responses to emails. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

And so liquid web know this is for real - the original ticket number is 890340.

View 14 Replies View Related

1and1 Vs Liquid Web Vs ServerBeach

May 1, 2008

Currently hosted with hostway but i am thinking of moving

i want a windows server for sure either 03 or 08
and i don't need managed really

i was looking at 1&1
because they have a windows vps for only 29.00 a month

but i seen liquid web's offering in the offer section
and i have noticed they have not changed their offers in months are there any new offers and is liquidweb good

and serverbeach a friend told me about but i am wondering should i get a full server and they charge 20.00 more for windows

i run a blog about gun rights & nra stuff and i get about 100 visitors a month
also please don't recommend shared hosting because i don't want to check my site one day to see the word suspened so either vps or dedi

and this may sound stupid but can you use a windows server like a computer like play movies and music and stuff using remote asst?

View 6 Replies View Related

Managed Hosting (Liquid Web VS Rackspace)

Jan 27, 2008

For reliable managed hosting, with some research, I can find...

Liquid Web
Rackspace

It seems like Liquid Web is definitely the bang for the bucks.. but it also makes me think if it's too good to be true. I feel Rackspace is more "professional" and they're more "high-end". But I definitely love the pricing from LiquidWeb. for the same price, I can get a quad core + 4GB from LiquidWeb, and maybe an AMD dual-core + 1GB from Rackspace..

My question is : Do LiquidWeb and Rackspace offer the same kind of "managed services"? Rackspace told me that they would give me an account manager which makes me feel more personalized. but I also had a live chat with LiquidWeb and the sales kept marketing the "Heroic support"

Let me give you some statistics of my site

Nature : E-commerce
Target : UK/Europe
Daily Visitor : 7000-13000
App : PHP + MySQL

View 9 Replies View Related

My Review Of Liquid Web VPS After One Year, It Is All Good

Nov 10, 2008

I have promised the good guys at Liquid Web which is the excellent host for my real estate web-site Las Vega Homes, Condos, Land and Commercial Real Estate to write a review about them after being with them for a year.I chose Liquid Web after having a bad experience with my previous host Aplus.net. I lost a PR4 Blog due to the fact that my database got corrupted and couldn’t be restored; I had more than 40 trouble tickets in six month most of which did not get fixed. I had a one year contract with Aplus.net which I terminated in six month and never got my money back. Now about Liquid Web and their heroic support, they are not kidding, the support is exemplary. While a good hosting company is supposed to keep away intruders, it can’t and should not keep the web-site owner out; I have repeatedly brought my web-site, blog and forum down due to inexperience only to have them restored in 1minte-couple of hours.I have never had to Waite more than 20 seconds to talk to a tech and they have never failed to fix the problem quickly and I am taking about a minimum of 50 calls to Liquid Web, they had to guide me through installing my web-site which they did with distinction.Liquid Web provides their customers with many add-ons that you can install with one click, I have found them helpful and have used many of the add-ons to make my web-site better.In more than one year with Liquid Web I have nothing but praise for Liquid Web and recommend them without reservation to all. I really like these Lansing, Michigan guys. Their tech center is in Michigan and their customers are not transferred to some Asian Country where the tech doesn’t have any idea about what you are talking about.

View 2 Replies View Related

My Review Of Liquid Web’s Heroic Support

Oct 17, 2007

Due to my endless problems with my current host Aplus.net I purchased a VPS1 Account from Liquid Web. Liquid Web calls their support heroic and these guys are my heroes. I told the sales staff that I have had no experience running servers and would need a whole lot of hand holding to set up my accounts and get them running, I was promised their help and boy do they deliver. All my calls have been answered promptly, kindly and efficiently by knowledgeable support staff that helped resolve my problems as we were talking on the phone. I chose Liquid Web by researching Web hosting talk’s forum and am very happy with my choice. Kudos for Web hosting talk and Liquid Web.

View 2 Replies View Related

IPs Versus C Class

May 28, 2008

I am getting into the dedicated server market and have a question...

I would like to get access to an entire Class C so 111.111.111.xxx - is that standard or should I assume someone offering a dedicated server with 1 IP only is giving say 111.111.111.1 ?

What would be the cost of being able to allocate different sites on the same class C?

View 7 Replies View Related

VPS Versus True Dedicated

Dec 10, 2008

We just recently were kind of forced to go from a true dedicated server to a VPS type server and my question is a simple one.

When it comes to SQL databases is the VPS powered server just a secure as a dedicated type server?

View 2 Replies View Related







Copyrights 2005-15 www.BigResource.com, All rights reserved