Is Colocation Better Or Renting Out Servers Better
Nov 20, 2006
I have been with LT for about 4 months i think and have paid already over 700 Bucks or something, and since i plan to be around for quite some time, i dont know if i should continue to rent out server or get my own big beast and get it collocated.
So all the folks out there who are doing collocation can you tell me good providers for server parts and servers and good dc's with suitable prices. Also would sticking to renting out server would be better or collocation would be suitable?
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Oct 11, 2009
I am just colocating servers and managing them myself, and renting services off of them. In the future I would like to start offering dedicated servers as well. I am wondering if many companies do this, or if its more of a general practice to just setup as a reseller? The worst part that comes to mind is thinking of how to do billing for the bandwidth per month. With my setup I would only be offering flat bandwidth packages (like 2TB a month) but even so, I cant think of anyway to automate it so WHMCS knows if they went over, if so, how much, etc.
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Aug 19, 2009
I have been landed with 2 servers which a friend was using them for some 'neighborhood' gaming for all the kids to play CSS, TF2 ect. together, and he doesnt want them anymore.
I have just spent a fortune upgrading (£1,800.00-ish), and I have been approched by someone who wants them for £2799.99, which I thought was good, but I also heard about rent them our to Data Centers.
If was to approch a Datacenter with them (not litterly with them), Would data centers consider renting these off me? Are they up to scratch? Or doesnt It work like that?
Opinions needed.
Server 1 Specs:
Core i7 Extreem-975 - 4.00GHz
8GB RAM
2 TB Memory
Windows Server 2008
Server 2 Specs
Core i7 Extreem-950 - 3.06GHz
8GB RAM
2 TB Memory
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5
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Jan 31, 2008
we are just in the process of going from dedicated to colocated and I'm wondering where to keep DNS records (used to have at our hosting provider). Where do you usually do this? We have some 300+ domain names and it's critical that DNS is up. I saw on some sites that the price can be around 20USD per domain per year but to me this sounds a bit steep.
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Apr 4, 2007
I have built a server and want to colocate it in a datacenter and rent it out with full root access, my query is, how much do you think the following setup would be worth to a customer monthly
2 x 1.8Gz Opteron (200 series)
3GB ECC Ram
1x 76GB 10Krpm, 1x 500GB SATA
3300GB / 10mbits 100% unmetered monthly UK traffic
Feedback please
Im asking this because rather than locate it for myself and sell shared/reseller accounts I'd rather just rent it to 1 person to do as they wish with to save me hasle
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Apr 15, 2007
where you guys are buying server for colocation?
Any recommended sites?
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Oct 21, 2009
I'm putting together a disaster recovery plan and I'm trying to come up with a quick way to get new machines in place in case of catastrophic hardware failure, e.g. two servers go down at the same time (this is an HA setup and must always remain fault tolerant). At this point I'm trying to find someone who would rent a server to me, allowing me to take physical possession of it.
Why do I need physical possession of it? The problem is that I use IP-based storage on a private network and therefore can't rely on a rented server in another cabinet, even across the aisle in the same datacenter, without adding significant complexity to my setup.
So my question, in summary, is this: What would be the fastest, cheapest and simplest way to get a new server in my cabinet in a few short hours?
My servers are going to be in Colo4Dallas, so if there's a provider there who specializes in this or has made an arrangement with you or someone you know in the past, please let me know about them. If you can think of a better way to do things (the obvious solution of investing in more servers excluded),
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Feb 4, 2008
I have a questions for you other Canadians out there co-locating machines in the United States. How do you deal with shipping back servers to you that need repaired? I had to ship a server back to me via UPS recently and to my surprise it arrives to me with a $150 COD charge on it. I ended up talking to UPS and it ended up being $50 for brokerage fee's. But I'm wondering if there is any secret some of you are using to get the machines back without crazy border fee's? This is the first instance I've had to ship something back as the provider would not diagnose the machine on site or even help with shipping I had to go through UPS and then had to rely on the provider marking the right reason for shipping which they did not do.
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Jun 20, 2008
I was a webhost from a while ago leasing dedicated servers and eventually went to work for the datacenter where I had my colo. For a while now I've working with a neat group of 5-6 other folks programming a new uptime monitor/geo-dispersed server load testing system/software. We were looking for possible partners to keep hosting costs down during the alpha stage of the project but while we were drawing up the papers, we saw just too much opportunity for a conflict of interest to arise and realized we couldn't realistically associate ourselves with any single company to that degree. So after a little work and fundraising, we're finally in a position to either lease some servers or colo.
Since I've been out of the loop for a while, I just want to know who the major/reliable players are when it comes to leasing or colo machines in multiple areas (ideally East, Middle, West, Canada and Europe/Asia? We would prefer to be with one company for ease of billing and have our network of monitoring stations spread out geographically. But we don't want all of our eggs in one basket so if a provider goes belly-up or decides to hike our rates 30-40% with little notice, we won't have too much to worry about.
We're watching what we spend during the alpha stage very closely, but I've been insisting we can strike the right balance between cost and reliability (connectivity).
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Jan 20, 2007
I have a lot of questions here so if you can't answer them all I understand. even pointing me somewhere where I could get the answers would be appreciated; hardware sites focusing on server hardware, forums focusing on such, etc.
we plan to have three different types of servers:
- db server (self explanatory. mysql. for forums, mysql driven sites.)
- file server (lots of files around ~2-10MB, consistant 70mbps right now, but we want more room for upgrades. needs a LOT of storage room.)
- web server (lots of php files, but also static things like plain html, images, etc. also includes all misc services for the setup-- dns, etc.)
could I be given a rundown for which hardware each of the three should have? I don't need specifics, even just knowing that more ram is important here while cpu doesn't matter as much, or that the fastest disks available are a must, etc would all be valuable info for me. despite that, I certainly wouldn't mind specific hypothetical hardware configs.
for the database server I'm assuming the more ram the better. not entirely sure about the cpu? also not positive on disks...
for the fileserver, how much ram would be practical or useful? disk io will be an issue I'm because plenty of people will be pulling files at once so the disk needs to read from multiple places. scsi (and even raptors) are not an option as we need 750GB+ of space on a reasonable budget. more ram will take some load of of the disks, but how much is neccessary / reasonable?
for the web server I'm assuming cpu first, then ram, but it'll likely need less ram than the db server?
I'm more lost on the disks than anything. scsi on the fileserver is not an option under any circumstances due to $/GB. for the db & web server I'm willing to pay for scsi if the performance increase really does warrant the extra money, but I'd like to be convinced before shelling it out. if you have benchmarks geared at server hardware when it comes to disks I'd really appreciate it.
also, what's the best way to network these together when colocated? each one with a dual gigabit ethernet port and then the communications go to and from the router?
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May 24, 2008
We send mail to another servers but we cant recieve mails another servers. We can't recieve with webmail and outlook.
I look logs but there is no error and our ip is not in blacklist.
there is the error in our server
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linux cpanel centos 4.6
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Mar 28, 2008
I was wondering if it is possible to cluster 2 web servers and 2 mysql servers with only one server working as load balancer.
I am planning to use LVS (ldirectord and heartbeat).
Let's say I have 3 IPs allocated to the load balancing server.
111.222.111.222 (Main IP)
111.222.111.223 (Web Load Balancing IP)
111.222.111.224 (MySQL Load Balancing IP)
If a connection is made to .223 it would pass the request to one of the web nodes.
If a connection is made to .224 it would pass the request to one of the MySQL nodes.
Is it possible to do this?
If not, can I run, for example, nginx on 223 IP address to provide forward proxy? (Then it would not be able to HA but the main point is to load balance so)
Also, what would be the best way to keep the data same on both web servers? This is a web cluster for a very high traffic forum with a lot of uploads every hour so it has to do real time synchronization. I heard that DRDB is only one way and not two way so I'm not going to be able to use this.
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Oct 4, 2009
Is there a "premium" for colocation space in cabinets which are taller than 42U? I'm putting some cabinets into a datacenter cage, which I will lease to 3rd parties as colocation cabinets, and there is plenty of height below the ceiling (about 290 cm). I could put in 42U cabinets, but I could go taller, up to about 48U.
The cabinets will have about 10 kW delivered to them (8 kW usable per cabinet), but the UPS is sized for an average load of 5 kW per cabinet. Cabinet depth is 1200 mm. There will be cable tray 10 cm above the cabinet.
If you were going to colo 5 kW of equipment (average) per cabinet, would 48U cabinets have value to you over 42U high cabinets?
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Jan 20, 2009
I found a couple of phrases mentioning them here on WHT, both praising and negative. Can't make up my mind.
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Aug 23, 2009
I'm soon going to purchasing a rack server from Dell, and have been looking into the options of basing it within the UK, as it seems best.
I've looked into the Rapid switch data centre in Berkshire, aswell as Blue square in Maidenhead.
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Jun 13, 2009
I'm with is looking to colo 2 x 1RU servers in the US, so looking for suitable colo facilities.
We definitely want to buy, own and manage the servers ourselves, so we're after colo & bandwidth, not server rental.
As we're new to colo in the US, any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Servers will be 2 x quad core CPU, 8GB RAM, 2 x SAS HDDs, 1 x PSU, so we'll obviously need a facility able to provide the required power at a reasonable cost.
We'll need 4 network points, 2 for each server (1 Internet, 1 LOM).
Bandwidth wise, we're expecting to start with low demand, but grow steadily over the next two to three years.
Ideally we're after flat rate bandwidth in the order of 512Kbps - 2 Mbps, aggregated across the network points, with no excess usage charges.
95th percentile billing is also an option, but less preferred - we'd much rather know we have a fixed monthly OpEx, instead of the unpleasant surprise of a large excess bandwidth bill!
We're happy to look at other bandwidth options, so long as they provide a fixed monthly cost, and let us scale at a reasonable price, as we need it.
We'll like a /28 of IP space - 8-10 usable, but may be able to get away with a /29 if it's the make or break decision.
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Sep 17, 2009
I am looking to colo a 1U server in a DC in North Carolina. I would need a 10Mbit line un-metered or a metered 100mbit.
I could negotiate on the bandwidth if its not possible in NC .
I have been researching for a while and the DCs here are very very expensive so far...
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Oct 9, 2009
I've recently acquired a 1U rack mount server from eBay. I believe it kicks some butt...and now I am thinking about looking for a colocation provider to host it for me.
It's for my own websites, not web hosting or storage. I don't need any sophisticated control panel, as I've pretty much made my own. I only need enough IP addresses to have my own name servers and one for all of my websites (I don't need each site to have a unique IP). I don't need any management help as I can manage my own servers. A simple data center control panel with the ability to hard reboot my server would be nice.
However, if the provider charges anything above $70-$80, I can just rent a dedicated server for around the same price. I know the dedicated server would not have the same features and hardware as my server, but if I'm providing the server, why should I be charged the same amount as if they were providing me with a server?
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Apr 22, 2008
I'm trying to figure out my whole DNS situation now that I switched over to colocation. I have 2 servers, one hosts multiple sites and the other is just a backup.
I'm not sure what to do with DNS hosting. I could either host my DNS on both the servers (ns1,ns2 main server ns3,ns4 backup server). Does this mean if the main server goes down (ns1,ns2) it'll start using ns2,ns3? If so, can I just have ns2,ns3 point to my backup server IPs and traffic will just resume on the backup of the main server goes down?
If I go with a service like DNSMadeEasy.com, can I just point my main domain's name servers to ns1.dnsmadeeasy.com, ns2, ns3, etc.. and then point all my other domain's name servers back to my main domain OR would I have to point all my individual domains to dnsmadeeasy's name servers?
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Jan 8, 2008
I have several servers on datacenters.
I was wondering, I always did, that is would be so much nicer to own the hardware. I looked for colocation prices in the past but the prices where allot higher then to rent from a datacenter.
Is this really so?
Is best to buy the hardware and send it to a colocation service or to rent a specific harware.
The colocation prices are normally per Mbit, that means there is not montly GB limits, you can go as fast a the switch allows?
How can you test if you are really getting the speed, any guarantee.
Also what happens if a hard disk fails? Do you have to buy one on overnight and send it to the datacenter? They will charge you for installation i suppose.
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Jul 1, 2008
We are looking for reviews of colocation companies offering quarter racks at BlueSquare, or another data centre in the south of England. We are based in Dorset and as far as we can tell the nearest data centres are in Bournemouth (not open yet), Southampton (don't know too much about those) and Maidenhead (BlueSquare, where we currently colocate a couple of 1U servers).
Companies we have been considering are connexions4london, a1isp and netrino but we are a bit short on information about their reputations. Reliability is the single most important thing to us, we are not necessarily looking for the cheapest, but for somebody with a good history of service level.
Can anybody tell us about their experiences with any of these companies? I heard about some trouble with Netrino last year but nothing recent, and also a that a1isp use netrino, can anybody confirm or deny that? We have also spoken extensively with connexions4london but we would have to sign up for at least a year - which we would be happy to do if we knew their service was great.
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Jan 29, 2007
I have a few questions which I'd like answered if possible.
Firstly, I understand 1U is the space in the rank etc etc -- my question is, does one server usually fill up one 1U?
What is meant by premium bandwidth? is that a type of bandwidth charge? is there any other types?
What is meant by 5mbps?
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Jun 7, 2008
could anyone explain to me what colocation is?
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Jul 14, 2007
with a decent article as to what colocation is? I have been looking and havn't been able to determine it. I'm trying to do some research as to why my web host is being .... difficult.
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Oct 24, 2007
I've been noticing always that colocation seems to be much more expensive then with leased dedicated servers, especially when it comes to the A). connection size and B). transfer bandwidth given to you. So has anyone seen good colocation pricing (anywhere in the US or Canada) that has these specs? Leased dedicated servers are at these low of prices, so why not colo?
1U Server around $100 to $150 /mo: 1000-2500 GB (or unmetered) Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
Anyone seen any $500 to $1500 /mo. for a full cabinet with these specs:
Full Cabinet / Rack (20 Amps or 40 Amps): Unmetered Bandwidth Transfer each month
10Mbps or 100Mbps connection (not 1Mbps).
When dedicated server places like softlayer say that your server is on 10Mbps or 100Mbps, does this mean it is 10Mbps shared among many servers or is it dedicated with your server? Many colocation facilities quote prices with 1Mbps dedicated for the prices I mention above.
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Jul 24, 2007
I've been using dedicated servers for past 2 years.
I'm a Usenet reseller moving to setting up Usenet Provider.
For Usenet peering with two residents in AMS-IX, I probably require a cross-connect, require at least 4u space with at least 50Mbit. All I can find is companies like Ohtele.com and true.nl who have a "presence" there with IP transit, what exactly does that mean? If I wanted a cross-connect to an AMS-IX resident, my server(s) must also be in that datacenter, correct?
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Nov 6, 2007
Lately I hv found many reference on colocation. What is meant by that?
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Feb 22, 2007
A friend of mine gave me a brand new machine he got from work. Its a medium sized desktop case, p4 2.8ghz, 1.5GB of ram, and 2x 40GB IDE Hardrives. Its not anything special, the ram is DDR and the proccessor is the old socket 478.
I am thinking about co-locating this machine. My home computer has much better parts then it so it is useless to keep at home. I already have a laptop as well as my PC so I don't need a second computer at my home either.
I have looked at some co-location prices, sent out a few emails and it looks more expensive then getting a dedicated server from the company. I thought co-location was cheaper then a dedicated server, but it seems like I am finding different.
This server is going to be used to host a few websites of mine, as well as be used to host a gameserver or two. I don't have a problem being a system administrator, I am currently managing my VPS as well as my friends dedicated server.
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May 3, 2007
I am hosting a commercial website that is consuming about 1.5Mbp/s of bandwidth on a monthly basis (95th. %). The site consists of (6) 1U Dell servers. I am currently seeking a colo provider in the downtown NYC area where I can rent a 1/4 rack. I am looking for a very reputable provider, but don't necessarily need the "gold standard" in colo providers as cost is definitely a factor.
My questions are as follows:
1. What is the general range of pricing that I should expect for a 1/4 rack at say 2Mbp/s of bandwidth? I have been getting quotes from around $500 to $1000, but wansn't sure exactly how to evaluate them.
2. Do I need to purchase a rack-mount keyboard/monitor drawer, or does the colo facility usually provide a cart or similar?
3. Is is better in the long run for me to provide my own firewall/vpn solution or is this something that the colo facility would typically provide for me?
4. With regard to DNS, is this normally a colo provided service or am I better off using a 3rd. party service. If the latter, any recommendations?
5. Any recommendations for quality colo providers in the downtown NYC area?
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Mar 16, 2007
I currently have Dedicated servers here and there with different companies but one of my sites is out growing its current setup and is growing at a rapid rate so its going to get expensive to run if i just have multiple dedicated servers so I have started to look into colocation.
The down side to colocation for me or from what I have seen is Limited Support compared to dedicated support.
However I do pay a company that will help me with the upkeep of my servers and will advise me on what I need so really now im looking at prices.
To start with I will be looking to host:
2X
Dell PowerEdge 1850 1u
2x Xeon 3.4hz 1m cache
2gb Ram (2x 1gb dimms)
2x 146gb U320 hot swap drives
Raid
CD Drive
Floppy Drive
2x Gigabit Ethernet
**Anyone have a price on a server same spec as above?**
Now I would prefer to find someone who provides the following but if not then could point me in the right direction to purchase:
(Hardware must be able to handle atleast 8 servers of the above spec as I see me expanding to this within 6 months to 1 year)
Switch
KVM
Remote Reboot
Firewall
**Anyone have a price on the hardware above? must handle atleast 8 servers**
Bandwidth - 100mbit
I would say I would like around 2,000gb bandwidth per server
So to start with that would be approx 4,000gb as I would be hosting 2 servers.
Support:
I would like to try and find a host that offers a fair amount of hardware support
I think for the moment thats about all im looking for advice / prices on.
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May 28, 2007
what colocation is? I know its cheaper than a box but what happens if you purchase this?
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