DDoS And Legal Issues
Jun 7, 2008
I see lot of threads about DoSes and from what I understand its pretty much up to client to pay expensive prices for a DoS firewall, or just get a few days of downtime and hope the DoS ends when server is put back online.
However, one thing I've been wondering is do providers (unmanaged) normally assist with the legal issues behind this? Like is it up to them to sue the ones DoSing given it's their network, or is it still up to the customer to do that?
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Jan 2, 2009
Is RapidLeech legal in the US?
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May 21, 2009
I'm kinda confused about warez linking allowed VPS hosters.. Most of them they say "Warez Linking is allowed" "AS LONG AS IT'S LEGAL" Is there a legal warez? I though that warez is illegal in the first place!
I'm planing to buy a VPS Plan from fsckvps.com, but I'm afraid they might terminate my account, so want to make sure if I will work fine with them, I've contacted them as pre-sale question, they said that warez linking is allowed as long as nothing is hosted on their server.
Okay, Now what's legal warez? My site content actually is New worldwide music albums, info, Movies, Cracked/nulled softwares..
Download links are included, but hosted on sharing site such as 4shared.com etc..
Will this be fine? Or I might experience account termination?
I'm just inches away from purchasing their 512MB RAM Plan, this is my final question.
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May 24, 2008
I have been looking for adult hosting services. Of the businesses I have found that do allow adult hosting, I have seen one stipulation. "Legal adult content". I'm not quite sure on what this means. Does it pertain to the obvious, like no child porn, bestiality, etc. Or is there legalities to the access of the adult content? Though I live in the US, I was not raised nor educated here, and thus not aware of the details here.
All I wish to host is a general content forum where my members can have a section to post 18+ pornography such as you would see in any regular adult video store. I plan to have this in an invite only section of the forum as to keep the content inaccessible to under 18 year olds. I believe this should be within the requirements of legal adult content.
Anyone who knows the details of the term "Legal adult content", could you please clear this up for me?
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May 8, 2009
a company named [url] was with us for almost 4, months and they are using the server which are custom ordered high end server, we didn't took setup fee just because they promise us to stay at list for an year
and from past 2 months they just ranned away somewhere, didn't paid any invoice
i guess we did a big mistake by believing in them
i know these 2 servers wont make a big difference but still just for my info
can anyone suggest if we can take any legal action on them ?
i know there site is still up and running
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May 24, 2008
i would like to present to you a scenario im sure everybody has thought of and has come up against.
1. If you are hosting with a web host and your files and website has been compromised due to the lack of security on the server what actions can you take against the host for this loss?
2. The host has a backup dating back to a week, but of course the data you have accumulated for the week that was lost is very valuable but you cant get it back now because of a flaw with the hosts server, is there anything you can do in a situation like this?
3. What if you are a reseller and have setup several sites for customers. One customer uses a CMS which means he/she will be updaitng their website every now and then and not always you are able to make backups of all the websites hosted by you as the reseller.
Now a weeks or a few days of data have been lost. The client complains and wants to take legal action against the reseller (you) and of course the reseller knows its the problem with the main host you are hosting with. What does the reseller do now with the client and the host whos made the mistake?
4. Clients livelihood depends on his/her Ecommerce website, they make an average turnover. Whether you are hosting on a dedicated or VPS nevertheless data loss has occured because the box was compromised. The blame is put on the host. In a scenario like this what can the customer do? He/She has lost some client details/orders information and products as a whole...? Remember this is a business... and money has been lost. A recovery backup a week old will never be sufficient enough for the loss.
Think about it... what will you do if any of the above four scenarios were to happen to you?
Yes i am aware of the terms. Some hosts will say they are not responsible forData loss in their small prints,
Some will say it is soley up to the customer to make backups,
When it comes to court they will point this out, and you'll be kicking yourself for being so foolish to go with a host in the first place which dosent gurantee the safety of your data.
Customers dont always read the small fine prints. Now realistically speaking what can the customer/client do in a situation like this? Im guessing nothing if the host outlines the terms ive pointed out above?
Is there really a host out there which takes whole responsibility for the loss and damage they create to your websites and businesses online?
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Apr 19, 2008
I'm looking for a cheap host which offers to host torrent files. It is legal .pdf files i will be offering. Any ideas?
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Apr 16, 2008
I got a bounced back message that I never sent. I was profoundly shocked to discover (through the header info) that the message originated from dotworlds.net; a site that ostensibly is a spoof email service provider.
Should such sites be allowed to exist?
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Jun 29, 2008
I have a ethics and legality scenario I would like to pose here. This is to be considered a fictional scenario and any similarity to any real company or person is unintentional.
COMPANY X has colo racks in DATACENTER and hosts a client named COMPANY Y. COMPANY Y also hosts 50 small web sites on cpanel and 40 VPS servers on their linux VPS node in exchange for a discount or other compensation. During the month of may and COMPANY Y's bill raises from being 3000 past due to over 12000 past due to various reasons including purchasing of hds from the DATACENTER using COMPANY X's account, tech work dont by DATACENTER for COMPANY Y needed also billed to COMPANY X's account, as well as BW and rack costs. Seeing this alrming bill by the end of May COMPANY X begins putting pressure on COMPANY Y to pay some invoices as no payments were received during the entire month of may and COMPANY X is also having a hard time paying DATACENTER due to not being paid by COMPANY Y but makes efforts to pay 25% of the outstanding bill in June.
Near the end of june COMPANY X has had enough and arrives at the datacetner to attempt to move theritr clients off COMPANY Ys hardware so they can suspend service of COMPANY Y completely. On the visit COMPANY X brings 2 new servers in and begins moving clients of their over and COMPANY X notices this action and begins to suspend and remove access to all of COMPANY X's clients. COMPANY X then decided to power off the boxes of COMPANY Y and removes drives containing COMPANY X customer data for offline recovery. and because they beleived the DATACENTER might be untrustworthy enough to release hardware fromt heir rakcs without their permission. The drives were for as much colatteral purposes as for recoverying customer data. They then pack the drives in boxes and a bag and leave the datacenter having spent nearly 20 hours working and head on a long trip home and signs out of the data center in front of various techs holding the server parts and tools.
Upon arriving back to their office/home
They were informed that the removal of the HDs was not allowed byt he datacenter because the account was past due and it was discovered that several drives with cOMPANY X's clients were left in the datacenter which COMPANY X now wishes they had remembered to get. DATACENTER is furious and demands the account be paid in full by a fixed time or the entire colo will be cut power. COMPANY X scrambles to find others to help them and another major client who has alot at risk decides to help and a payment of $7160 is made to DATACETNER but it came in a few minutes past the deadline. DATACETNER had suspended servuce, and cut power but stated they wil return service shortly. Shortly after this it is discovered that several servers belonging to COMANY X and two other companies who were supsended in the same day were not int he rack anymore. DATACENTER accout rep responds with the following message in ICQ/AIM .....
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Mar 30, 2008
im running a site where users can submit their comic books excerpts or works.
but sometimes there are users that upload copyrighted works.
how to deal with this problem? I have the DMCA legal notice that I copied from other websites and fixed it to suit mine.
I remove any copyrighted material upon request.
I cannot monitor all posting 24/7.
so which hosting, location(us, amsterdam, netherlands?), and other precuations should i take ? is it okay to copy legal stuff from other similar site and change around the wording to fit my site?
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Aug 5, 2008
I am looking for a UK based VPS from a UK company that allows legal adult hosting. I am ideally looking for at least 40GB space and 500GB b/w to start with.
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Jun 3, 2008
I'm looking for a host in europe, nl, de ..., with a unmetered 100mbit server that allows me to run legal torrent on it.
My buget are ca 200 euro or so.
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Jan 7, 2009
Does anyone know the proper avenue for cancelling an account with HostNine? They are giving me the run around and ignoring my requests for a cancellation. I originally tried to cancel my account a couple of months ago by e-mail. They informed me that I had to submit a cancellation request through their website. I have submitted a cancellation request through their website SEVERAL TIMES since then. They never sent me any kind of response or confirmation, so I assumed (wrongly, I guess) that the account was cancelled, but they keep charging my credit card over and over.
I have requested again that the account be cancelled and told them that I would simply perform a chargeback since they are basically billing me for a service that I have continually requested be cancelled via their own online cancellation form using their own process for cancelling accounts. Nick Hudson @ HostNine's response to this was to threaten that they would send attorneys and collection agencies after me. All while claiming that it is "NOT hard" to cancel an account. I agree with them; cancelling your account when the company will actually deal with you should not be hard.
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Jun 3, 2008
I will be launching a video website like youtube and I have put all the DMCA requirements on it, I'm still not sure if I can get in trouble if someone uploads copyrighted videos, would it make a difference if I get a dedicated server located in Netherlands?
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Nov 7, 2008
it's come under my attention that dragonara.net has been ddosing me today since morning from the ip:
194.8.75.229
What's so ironic about it is that the ip is from a UK DDOS protection site so i'm expecting some email with their services in the next hour or so. Stay clear of them they are fakes and e-terrorists.
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May 26, 2009
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Oct 8, 2009
I am looking for some good ddos protection providers, via protected dns. I've searched on internet, but most of them are really expensive.
Please tell me some ddos protection providers what could help me.(gige is too expensive btw).
And I found some ddos protection scripts. How can a script protected a server from ddos? A sript like CSF or DDoS deflate?
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Apr 9, 2009
I've been getting VERY high packet loss to my VPS for around 10-15 minute periods over the past month or so (No patterns or specific times, totally random when it occurs) with my provider's Parallels Business Automation control panel reporting "Server is down" along with the VZCP on the node being inaccessible. I opened a ticket with my provider and they told me that they experienced a DDoS attack on the node my VPS was hosted on.
However, I get the feeling that they are giving me some crap to stop my pestering them about the packet loss all the time (I mainly use my VPS for providing VoIP services which use UDP so the packet loss is devastating).
Anyone got any views on this?
Also they keep offering to move me to a diffrent node but they say they can only do that by giving me a new IP address and I would have to backup all the data and restore it manually, myself. Any views on this as well?
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Jun 6, 2009
I'm experiencing a significant UDP DDoS at the moment which is aimed at port 80 on my server, it's currently crippling Apache, but only on port 80, https (443) is fine. I've told iptables it drop UDP packets sent to port 80 and have also completely blocked most of the attacking IPs, this has helped, but the webserver is still periodically unresponsive.
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Jun 9, 2008
We are getting ddosed badly.. Last night httpd reached max clients and httpd wasnt able to start up.
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Feb 4, 2008
we had a bad ddos to on of the sites we were hosting, the ip of the ddos was blocked in apf and iptables, but for some reason it still got through we had to have it blocked in the router, we installed CSF into our server hoping for a better firewall does anybody know why apf could not hold back the ip im open to suggestions,
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Dec 9, 2008
I have got pretty big problems with my VPS, some of my sites getting DDoS'd a log. I have no idea why and who DDoSing them
I have csf, apf and DDoS Delfate installed but it seems they can't take those attacks down. I know for mod_evasive but it works only on small attacks, I getting pretty strong attacks
I need some way to configure csf better, what I need to edit in /etc/csf.conf to block IPs if the same IP trying to connect to server more that 10 times. I need everything what I could edit for csf to block IPs faster
About DDoS Deflate, he is configured to works with apf, can I configure it to works with csf and how? How to configure DDoS Deflate better, to block IPs faster
Also, another problem with csf is that when I restart csf(service csf restart) he unblock all blocked IPs and I have to block them again
How to see blocked IPs by iptables?
I running lighttpd at the moment but I thinking to change it with Litespeed(free edition), what do you think about it?
I hope I will get some help here. Aslo,would be interesting to hear how do you guys protecting your servers from DDoS(if you getting DDoSed
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May 27, 2007
we have a 100mbut connection and with a normal traffic we use about 40-50mbit but from friday seem that we are under attack this is the stats from the fastethernet
inbound 20427 ucast pkts/s
outbound 5547.5 ucast pkts/s
inbound 85793.9 Kbit/s
outbound 8211.98 Kbit/s
we have reach also for 4 hours 100mbit and all the server was offline, we have contact the datacenter and they say that not is a ddos attack because the traffic come fom our server and not from outside the net, so look as we have a hacked server that is making all this traffic, how can w found the problem? we have about 130 server on this connection
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Aug 18, 2007
If you were under a DDos attack, what commands would you execute to confirm this?
Is it normal for high traffic sites with 3,000 concurrent apache connections from running this command?
netstat -n | grep :80 |wc -l
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Dec 28, 2007
what would happen if you changed the server IP to 127.0.0.1?
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May 29, 2009
My server is using too many httpd process..I think iam under DDOs attack..I executed the following command..
netstat -an | grep :80 | sort
and the result is this
tcp 0 1491 ::ffff:95.211.10.169:80 ::ffff:213.215.100.110:2263 LAST_ACK
tcp 0 1493 ::ffff:95.211.10.169:80 ::ffff:85.207.126.231:52694 LAST_ACK
tcp ....
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May 29, 2008
The DC installed Squid. It manages the load fine but the php code on my page is cached and doesn't work.
Is there a way to get squid to not cache php? in that httpd can directly call php while squid does everything else?
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Apr 16, 2009
Hey guys If there was a way to have the ips of the dedi change constantly would this help prevent ddos attacks or would there be no difference if the domain was being attacked.
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Nov 6, 2007
OK well today I found out my server was being DDOS'ed
And I know which domain is being attacked with hundreds of IP's. I am running Cpanel / WHM but I have no idea how I can stop this?
Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe redirect the DNS? to a invalid ip? But I'm not sure how i can go about doing that?
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Sep 16, 2007
I have a problem with a customer. For the last 48 hours he has been receiving a massive DDoS at his server. I tried blocking the darn IPs but they keep coming and with several hundreds of connections each:
104 78.157.168.98
125 83.226.157.91
126 89.103.109.65
131 89.12.150.23
135 84.251.196.78
135 86.122.0.135
135 91.127.235.86
154 84.24.14.41
160 193.216.140.101
331 89.151.8.78
419 78.0.103.64
Apache has over 14000 connections. I tried using mod_evasive but didn't do anything and the server has been out without httpd for hours now. Any advices? This is a Hsphere server (I hate it personally) with 4GB RAM and a dual optero 246. I have the mexclients setting at 550.
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Aug 4, 2009
I have a windows server, and today it has a large inbound traffic, so I tried to disable all web service, and after that, the result of netstat -an shows no connection at all, but the server still has large inbound traffic,
Do you have any idea about this?
What should I do now?
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