Two Drives On My RAID 5 Failed

Apr 30, 2007

I have a dell POWER VAULT 725N utilizing a 4 HDD RAID 5 setup.

Server has died and bios error message shows that 2 hard drives had failed. I can not boot to windows.

Data is very crucial, what are my options for data recovery?

I really hope I can recover the data, I doubt that two HDD actually failed at the same time without giving any warnings. I hope its the raid controller.

Would like to hear pointers from the community on how to recover important data from the RAID.

Are there any companies/software that would help in this assuming it is a hdd failure and not a controller issue?

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